• TechAnon@lemm.ee
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    166
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    4 months ago

    WHAT AM I GOING TO DO WITH ALL MY BIDEN HATS, FLAGS, T-SHIRTS, AND STICKERS?!

    /Just kidding - not in a cult 😅

    • Zacryon@feddit.org
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      27
      arrow-down
      3
      ·
      4 months ago

      not in a cult

      Sure? You are on Lemmy after all.

      /joking. Or am I? 🤔 VSauce music plays

      • TechAnon@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        21
        ·
        4 months ago

        Yep, dropped Digg for Reddit. Dropped Reddit for Lemmy. Will drop Lemmy for something else if I end up not liking it. 😎

              • Agent641@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                2
                ·
                edit-2
                4 months ago

                It was weird. I actually paid for imgur back in the day, when you could. You would scroll randomly through images which I later learned were popular or Reddit. There was a simple, linear comment chain. The nested comment style of reddit confused me. I was on imgur for like 3 years before I tried reddit.

                Imgur says Ive been a member for 13 years.

        • Frozengyro@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          4
          ·
          4 months ago

          You now have enough data points to estimate how long until Lemmy turns to shit and you need to migrate again!

          • vxx@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            4 months ago

            It started shit, got way worse and is now kind of hanging in a limbo that has the chance for progression.

            The admins seem to be alright though.

        • tegs_terry@feddit.uk
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          4 months ago

          Maybe something where people don’t put shit like /joking because they’re petrified of downvotes

  • Duamerthrax@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    157
    ·
    4 months ago

    An aside, I hate that this was posted to twitter before it was posted to Biden’s own website or the White House’s website first.

    • Psythik@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      57
      ·
      4 months ago

      This is why the internet sucks now. Nobody maintains their own websites anymore. These days everybody just posts everything on the same handful of centralized megacorp websites. Social media killed the golden age of the web.

      • elvith@feddit.org
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        21
        ·
        4 months ago

        There are some exceptions that still live by the POSSE*-principle, but they’re rare.

        *Post to Own Site, Syndicate/Share Everywhere

      • yannic@lemmy.ca
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        7
        ·
        edit-2
        4 months ago

        E-mail, too. You could have all the latest security features to confirm you’re legitimate, but based on the simple fact that your message volume is low (ironically enough), messages you send with your server will often get filed under junk by default.

        • Duamerthrax@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          4 months ago

          This is essentially a very fancy forum. I wouldn’t expect corporations or politicians to be posting here. Maybe they could host their own instance and federate. In principle, that would mean they’re paying for their own hosting and have control over their message being altered.

      • SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        4 months ago

        Well Trump posts stuff to his own website :P

        But yeah, I agree. And there’s no excuse for it really. Sure a regular person only posting to a single social media makes sense, but anyone that has staff should be able post to their own website, issue a press release, post on Twitter, Mastodon, Facebook, Blue Sky, Reddit, etc. I mean once you have the statement finalized it’s just copy & paste to get it on all platforms. It seems bizarre that they don’t do this.

    • jeffw@lemmy.worldM
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      7
      ·
      4 months ago

      My first reaction was that he was hacked. It wasn’t on official letterhead, there was no other announcement, and the president didn’t immediately make another tweet/x/whatever.

      I don’t think I’m alone. Typically when something big like this happens, I get 5-10 news alerts within minutes of each other from various sources. The alerts were slow to roll in today.

  • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    173
    arrow-down
    24
    ·
    4 months ago

    Any moment now, the ‘don’t vote for Biden’ group will be in here telling us not to vote for Harris. And if it isn’t Harris, they’ll tell us not to vote for whoever it is.

    Anything but stop the dictator and his plan to commit genocide against Latinos and queer people.

    • dadarobot@lemmy.sdf.org
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      50
      arrow-down
      6
      ·
      4 months ago

      Most of the biden haters i know on the left are upset about his support for israel. Harris has been much more critical of the genocide. We’ll just have to see.

      I didnt want to vote for biden, but was still going to vote blue no matter who. Im glad i dont have to vote for genocide anymore.

    • Semi-Hemi-Lemmygod@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      46
      arrow-down
      4
      ·
      4 months ago

      Even if Trump wasn’t going to do awful things, I can’t stand his stupid face or his stupid voice or his stupid stupidity. That’s enough to vote for someone who’ll beat him.

      • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        12
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        4 months ago

        No. It absolutely isn’t. I was too young to vote in the 2000 election, but Gore had the same stupid face, long drawn out speech paterns, and general unlikability.

        However, his policies, and his message were good. I would have voted for him despite his stupid face, because of him being the better candidate.

        I FULLY understand people hating trump…but I underatand the hate because trump is a piece of shit. I get why trump is hated for his bad policies. I get why people hate having a criminal in the white house.

        But to say that if a candidate were good for the position, but you hate their face and voice, I wouldn’t understand that.

        • aStonedSanta@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          12
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          4 months ago

          Yeah but Gore did win that election. It was stolen from him. Just like Bernie won the DNC nomination and it was stolen from him. Fuck the DNC. But fuck the RNC harder.

          • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            6
            ·
            4 months ago

            This is the kind of comment that makes me angry, while I agree with all of it. It’s a weird feeling to be yelling “YEAH I AGREE WITH THAT!!! RAAAAHHH!!!”

      • Burstar@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        5
        ·
        edit-2
        4 months ago

        Get out of my head. I only watch late night talk shows on Youtube now just so I can skip past any Trump video. I hate that guy so much it makes my jaw hurt whenever I see his image.

        Edit: I wish I could vote against him.

    • ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      30
      arrow-down
      5
      ·
      4 months ago

      I didn’t want to believe it but they’re already in the comments. We need to be vocal. Kamala is a great candidate.

      • Baron Von J@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        29
        ·
        4 months ago

        ‘Beating the Republican Fascist agenda’ is a great candidate. I don’t really care how that is spelled on the ballot.

          • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            13
            ·
            4 months ago

            I’ll vote for virtually anyone the Democrats nominate to stop the genocidal dictator, but my first choice, of course, will always be-

            • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              25
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              4 months ago

              Alright, fuck it. I’LL run. I’m 40, nobody knows me so they don’t hate me, I think Hitler was bad, and I’ll let you guys smoke weed and keep your pronouns.

              And for the republicans in the room, I’m not going to send anyone to take your guns. That sounds like a bad idea, that we already saw play out in Waco TX. Nobody wants that.

              And for all the cats registered as undecided parties…meow meow meow meow meow. Meow meow MEOW MEOW MEOW!!! HISSS HISSSSS HISSSSSS clickclickclickclickclickclick…purrrr purrrr purrrr purrrrr purrrrrr.

              And to all the mentally crazy voters, HEYMYNAMESBOBANDIMHERETOMAKEEVERYBODYSAFEFROMTHELIZARDPEOPLEFROMEATINGOURBRAINSANDTHEGOVERNMENTPOTBELLIEDPIGSBACONVIVALEREVOLUTION!!!

              And to the dyslexic voters, Helol hwo aer yuo?

        • Queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          7
          ·
          4 months ago

          That’s my main deciding point, and why I’m happy Biden stepped down. I didn’t think he’d win the Rust Belt. Harris might.

          My main vote is “Not Trump’s Fascism.”

          • kautau@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            7
            ·
            edit-2
            4 months ago

            I will absolutely vote whoever is opposite of trump on the ticket. But a black woman winning the rust belt? That would be wild. I’m all for it, mind you, but that would be some crazy shit.

          • Maggoty@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            3
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            4 months ago

            Trump kept climbing the polls in PA, which is the Keystone state of this election.

            I’m not sorry, and I will be here all night.

        • elbucho@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          29
          ·
          4 months ago

          What the fuck are you talking about? When she was running for president in 2019, she released detailed plans about how she would legalize marijuana, abolish private prisons, and reform the carceral system.

          I get that you probably weren’t aware of her evolved stance on these things, but a single google search could have shown you that you were incorrect on every single point you made.

            • wanderingmagus@lemm.ee
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              10
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              4 months ago

              If I could give you some kind of prize I would. Have a meaningless pixel trophy instead, and an upvote: 🏆

          • octopus_ink@lemmy.ml
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            4
            arrow-down
            2
            ·
            4 months ago

            What the fuck are you talking about? When she was running for president in 2019, she released detailed plans about how she would legalize marijuana, abolish private prisons, and reform the carceral system.

            Has she done those things? (I sincerely don’t know.)

            I’ve heard that she’s revised her stances, but even in 2019 there was some question regarding the sincerity of her evolving viewpoints.

            We’re likely to get 8 years of her if she wins, so I think it’s entirely reasonable to want her to affirm her stances in some of these areas. We won’t be able to move any further left than she allows. Sure, she’s not Trump, and I’m going to vote for her. It would be nice to have hope she’ll do more than just move right more slowly than Trump though.

            She says very little, and nothing convincing, about some of the most serious charges against her, like that she fought hard to keep innocents in prison and failed to fight hard against corrupt cops.

            If elected president, Harris seems as likely as any of her Democratic rivals, and far more likely than Donald Trump, to pursue a criminal-justice-reform agenda that overlaps with policies I favor as a civil libertarian. And I do not hold it against Harris that as a municipal and state official she enforced many laws that I regard as unjust. All the candidates now running for president will, if elected, preside over the enforcement of some laws that they and I regard as unjust.

            But like her rivals, the reforms that Harris would sign into law as president would depend mostly on what Democrats in Congress could get to her desk. Far more important is how she would preside over a federal legal system and bureaucracy that is prone to frequent abuses. And her record casts significant doubts about whether she can be trusted to oversee federal law enforcement, the military, intelligence agencies, the detention of foreign prisoners, and more.

            • elbucho@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              10
              ·
              4 months ago

              I mean, she’ll have ample opportunity to expound on that. But prison reform and legalizing marijuana were platforms she ran on in 2019. I haven’t seen anything from her that would indicate she’s reversed her position since then.

        • ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          15
          arrow-down
          3
          ·
          4 months ago

          https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/aug/01/were-tulsi-gabbards-attacks-kamala-harris-record-c/

          Harris “put over 1,500 people in jail for marijuana violations and then laughed about it when she was asked if she ever smoked marijuana.”

          Notably, the figures dropped dramatically during Harris’ tenure, from 817 marijuana-related admissions in her first year in office to 137 in her last.

          She laughed because it was funny and I’m tired of people telling me it’s not. 💥 🔫

          She’s been a prosecutor, senator, and now VP. She has the experience. She can speak in complete sentences. She is a neo-liberal but that was a given. All Democratic candidates since Clinton have been neo-liberals. The idea that Kamala is anti-progressive is false.

          • SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            4
            ·
            4 months ago

            Yeah it is ridiculous. Essentially “why didn’t you legalize marijuana when you were AG?” Because that job isn’t about changing the laws it’s about prosecuting the law.

            Bad enough SCOTUS is changing laws on a whim (instead of interpreting which is their actual job) we shouldn’t be expecting everyone on every level just disregard laws they disagree with. I agree that marijuana criminalization is stupid and should be repealed, but push for legislators to change the law rather than push for more people to ignore the law.

      • njm1314@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        2
        arrow-down
        24
        ·
        4 months ago

        If she she’s was a great candidate she would have been the candidate 4 years ago.

    • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      30
      arrow-down
      5
      ·
      4 months ago

      Until Harris fucks up terribly in public and jeopardizes her campaign, I won’t be advocating for her replacement. I never said “don’t vote Biden.” I said “run somebody better.” Keeping Trump out of office is more important to me than living in this country and I love where I live. I’m hopeful that Harris can win the trust of the people and prevent my having to relocate (and a bunch of other bad shit).

      • SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        15
        ·
        4 months ago

        Well VPs traditionally will say the things the President can’t say publicly for geopolitical reasons. Harris may have been saying the things the Biden was thinking but couldn’t directly say while actively negotiating with Netanyahu. Can’t be sure but it’s a more likely scenario than her going rogue against someone on the same ticket as her.

        Doesn’t matter now, but more for future reference. If a future President Harris isn’t saying what you want her to say on foreign policy issues but her VP is, you’ll know what’s up.

      • PriorityMotif@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        7
        ·
        4 months ago

        I’m sure that her stance could have changed from that time as it’s become a more understood issue now from then. It’s the people that the president appoints that are ultimately responsible for policy in their departments.

      • kandoh@reddthat.com
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        8
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        4 months ago

        She’s one of the reasons if someone were to kill you they wouldn’t be able to use ‘i panicked’ as a defense.

        • Maggoty@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          6
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          4 months ago

          Unless they’re a cop. Then it’s the defense they go to and can never be convicted under unless we have them on video calmly shooting the handcuffed guy in the back of the head.

          • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            4
            arrow-down
            2
            ·
            4 months ago

            And even then, bootlickers will be like “he was clearly reaching for the cop’s gun!”

        • Anomaline@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          4 months ago

          She has a really checkered record wrt trans stuff altogether. I’m concerned.

          She’s better than Trump but a significant step down from Biden in terms of most of the things I care about which makes her a concerning pick, combined with the fact that she performs worse in polling (if that was the main concern). I hope I’m wrong but I’m concerned that this basically sealed the Dems’ loss.

          • kandoh@reddthat.com
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            1
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            4 months ago

            Here is the internal polling that was released, this was before Biden resigned

            Through 7/21, Biden trailed Trump 46-44 nationally; Harris was ahead 48-46. Trump is stuck at a ceiling of 46. Harris gains from 3rd party/undecided voters.

            • Young voters (18-34) go from Biden 44-36 (+8) to Harris 57-37 (+20)
            • Independents go from Trump 48-32 (+16) to Trump 49-41 (+8)
            • Harris picks up 7pp among Black voters and 8pp among Hispanic voters, almost all from 3rd party/undecideds

            Source: https://x.com/DrewLinzer/status/1815491120677458288

    • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      20
      arrow-down
      5
      ·
      edit-2
      4 months ago

      Harris isn’t ideal, but she’s an improvement. She’s less on board with genocide than Bidenyahu, and she can fog a mirror.

      Vote for Harris. Don’t make the party regret listening.

    • Maggoty@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      17
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      4 months ago

      Hi, I think you’ve seen me in enough places saying not to vote for Biden.

      Go vote for Harris.

    • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      12
      arrow-down
      3
      ·
      4 months ago

      The reason we haven’t seen it happen yet is that they weren’t prepared for this. They need to make some memes and talking points, make sure everyone is on the same page. Give it a day or so, and we’ll start seeing a strangely concerted effort against Harris.

      • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        5
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        4 months ago

        They’ve been doing memes involving coconuts. I had to look up why. I still don’t get it after reading about it.

        • kofe@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          3
          ·
          4 months ago

          She mentioned them. Don’t you see how grossly incompetent she is to hold office for this!?

    • Queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      10
      arrow-down
      4
      ·
      edit-2
      4 months ago

      I may be a weirdo, but I was on the “I’d consider not voting for Biden.” but I’m currently more interested in Harris. Nowhere near as bad of a track record as Biden had. From being racist, to supporting rapists getting into the Supreme Court, to backing massive removal of constitutional rights.

      Harris’ record isn’t perfect, and while I’m in California, I don’t recall any bills she pushed/voted for as Senator that was anything as bad as the USA PATRIOT Act. I don’t like her record as our AG at all, but Senator is a different story.

      If she picks a good VP pick, I’d be down. I’m wanting maybe Newsom, but that’s just he biggest Democrat I know, as he’s my Governor.

      Edit: I don’t know how to make it clear: I live in California. If I voted for a ham sandwich for oresident it would have the same impact as voting for Biden. My state’s EC is clear and chosen, and popular vote doesn’t decide the president otherwise we’d never have Trump. I was considering going Greens, but I’m looking forward to Harris. Get mad at undecideds in Swing States and Trump supporters, not a registered Democrat in California.

      • K3zi4@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        25
        arrow-down
        4
        ·
        4 months ago

        As a non American I just can’t comprehend how any of you even have to think about this.

        On one hand, an old man, who, despite his age and stumbling over his words, has ran the country relatively successfully for the last four years.

        On the other hand, another old man that was a global embarrassment, cosied up to Putin and Kim, spent most of his time golfing and shitting his pants, stole classified documents and likely sold state secrets, he is a sexual abuser, an actual criminal, clearly has corrupt justices on his side with crazy plans, chummy with epstein and took multiple trips to pedo Island, promoted racism at every opportunity, many of the people connected to him for his first term were imprisoned, refused to accept your democratic process, contributed in instigating a fucking coup attempt, and that’s likely not even the half of it…

        Like, how the fuck can ANY of you look at that and say “Yeah but Biden stumbles over his words so I’ll just throw my vote away/vote for trump…”

        I feel like I’m going insane just watching this shit unfold. It is all so bizarre.

        • AquaTofana@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          14
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          4 months ago

          Don’t worry, those of us Americans who don’t have their heads up their asses are just as baffled as you are and 3 times as embarrassed that Trump is even an option again.

          I am in a fucking loop of laughter and tears because I don’t even know what to do anymore.

        • confusedbytheBasics@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          5
          ·
          4 months ago

          Yes. It’s insane. I will vote for whoever is most likely to beat Trump. It’s embarrassing that he is RNC’s pick for candidate. He demonstrated his inability to do the job and his fans still want him because he hurts the “right people”. Horrifying.

          • kylie_kraft@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            3
            ·
            4 months ago

            It’s not even “he hurts the ‘right people’” anymore, because Trump’s policies hurt everyone. It’s"he hurts the ‘right people’" more than he hurts me. I will give myself a cold to give you a fever.

        • Wiz@midwest.social
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          4 months ago

          If pay money to hear the words “pedo Island” used against TFG in the debate.

        • kylie_kraft@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          6
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          4 months ago

          A very common position among the lemmy crowd, unfortunately. I really don’t expect much to change either, just swap Harris for Biden in the hit pieces.

          • acosmichippo@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            3
            ·
            4 months ago

            I’ve disengaged from political news and discussion over the last few years for my mental health, and this confirms that was the right move. shit is driving me crazy.

          • Queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            2
            arrow-down
            3
            ·
            4 months ago

            I don’t know how to make it clear: I live in California. If I voted for a ham sandwich for president it would have the same impact as voting for Biden. My state’s EC is clear and chosen, and popular vote doesn’t decide the president otherwise we’d never have Trump. I was considering going Greens, but I’m looking forward to Harris. Get mad at undecideds in Swing States and Trump supporters, not a registered Democrat in California.

              • Queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                3
                arrow-down
                1
                ·
                4 months ago

                I’m trying to. I live in the district Kevin McCarthy was in. His replacement isn’t great. Our blanket primary was “Republican backed by Kevin and Trump” and “Republican backed by conservative think tanks and Trump staff”.

                I’ve considered running for office using a form of leftist talks masked like Republican talking points. But an openly queer leftist in Republican territory won’t go well, unless I figure out what urn I want ahead of time.

    • UltraGiGaGigantic@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      13
      arrow-down
      9
      ·
      edit-2
      4 months ago

      You wanna know how to shut those people up? Replace First Past The Post voting with something like Ranked Choice voting. Then they would have to make their own party and show us how it’s done. (No spoiler effect to)

    • JimSamtanko@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      7
      arrow-down
      4
      ·
      4 months ago

      Absolutely they will. When the gEnOciDe stopped working/got boring, they switched to- oLd!

      Give it a day, they’ll have their reasons not to vote for her too.

      • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        4
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        4 months ago

        Someone already replied to me saying that unless the Democrats produce a “non genocide-loving candidate,” don’t vote for them.

          • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            6
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            4 months ago

            And not just genocide overseas. Trump has made his position on immigrants and queer people very clear. And if anyone thinks ‘immigrants’ won’t include brown people that are native-born citizens who don’t happen to have the right ID on them, you’re wrong.

        • JimSamtanko@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          4
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          4 months ago

          Of course they did. Because MAGA won’t be happy until there are no democratic voters.

          • Captainvaqina@sh.itjust.works
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            2
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            4 months ago

            No democracy either. They want an authoritarian dictatorship because they don’t believe they’ll be the ones hurt by it.

        • Djtecha@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          2
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          4 months ago

          Bots bots and more bots. I assume all of that garbage is coming from a room full of shoulder to shoulder ruskies

    • NoIWontPickAName@kbin.earth
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      2
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      4 months ago

      Nah, I said I would support her if that’s what it came down to.

      She needs a good VP though with her record.

      That debate and the putin -Zelensky trump-Harris mixups so short together.

      Pull in Buttigieg and you have a white male as a backup to calm people down and maybe pull in the gay vote.

      I understand how the last sentence could be seen the wrong way, but it’s the cynical reality.

    • FlexibleToast@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      6
      arrow-down
      7
      ·
      4 months ago

      Cool strawman you’re beating up. I think the majority of us that didn’t want Biden is because he didn’t have a good path to victory. We didn’t want to just stand by and watch the train wreck happen. Harris isn’t much better, but at least she is better, and I will be on board with that of that’s who is chosen. I would rather see Whitmer be on the top of the ticket though.

    • PythagreousTitties@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      2
      arrow-down
      3
      ·
      4 months ago

      I’m really hoping if Harris still has to be on the ticket that she’ll stay VP. It would be nice to have a decent prez option.

      But I’ll be voting anti trump either way.

      • Hegar@fedia.io
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        7
        ·
        4 months ago

        It would be nice to have a decent prez option.

        It would also be nice not to live on a burning planet controlled by decrepit rich psychopaths but I don’t think either of us will be getting what we want.

        I’ll still vote for whatever the democrats decide to run, of course, since minimizing or maximizing fascists’ access to government is the only question on the ballot this election.

        • UltraGiGaGigantic@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          arrow-down
          8
          ·
          4 months ago

          since minimizing or maximizing fascists’ access to government is the only question on the ballot this election

          Why?

    • Tryptaminev@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      4
      arrow-down
      15
      ·
      4 months ago

      The criterion is very simple: Don’t vote for genocide committers, enablers or planners. That excludes Biden and Trump.

      If the Dems manage to produce a non genocide loving candidate, then vote vote vote and drag everyone who will vote for the non genocide candidate to the polling station.

      • GoddessNoAi@lemmynsfw.com
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        8
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        4 months ago

        “I’d rather let someone who actively, aggressively advocates, enables, and wants genocide domestically and abroad to win the presidency, over voting for somebody who passively enables genocide to happen abroad because actively trying to stop it could ignite WWIII” is still a bad take.

        It’s baffling and hypocritical.

        • Tryptaminev@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          2
          arrow-down
          7
          ·
          4 months ago

          It is hypocritical to delude yourself into believing voting for genocide is somehow not approving genocide. And i hardly doubt that stopping Israel from committing genocide in Gaza would ignite WW3.

          If you mistake it for Ukraine, think about all the help Ukraine is not getting so Israel can get it instead. Dozens of Billions in Weapons to slaughter a civillian population instead of helping Ukraine defend itself against Russias invasion.

          • GoddessNoAi@lemmynsfw.com
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            8
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            4 months ago

            I’m not deluding myself about anything. The choice isn’t “vote for or against genocide” it’s “act to get less or more genocide”. It’s not a false dichotomy; if you’re not voting to defeat Trump, then you’re acting to get more genocide.

            By not acting to defeat Trump, you’re enabling genocide more than Biden ever has.

            • Lyrl@lemm.ee
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              arrow-down
              6
              ·
              4 months ago

              In some takes on the trolley problem (do nothing, five people are run over by a trolley an die, flip a track change switch and two people are run over by a trolley and die) flipping the switch is the morally worse option because then those two people’s deaths are your fault, whereas the five people who die because you did nothing are someone else’s fault. I don’t agree with that take, but it’s taken seriously in philosophy circles.

      • Lyrl@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        0
        arrow-down
        6
        ·
        4 months ago

        I don’t get how in the Levant, where both Hamas and the Israelis have significant factions that want to genocide the other people, a situation where Hamas does the genociding (because an Israel without attack capability de facto also loses defense capability) is somehow more moral than a situation where Israel does it.

        • Tryptaminev@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          7
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          4 months ago

          You are making multiple false assumptions in there. The first being that 2.000 pound bombs are somehow “defensive”. The next being that a 30.000 fighters Hamas would somehow genocide all of the settlers, despite their army having hundreds of thousands of members. Then it goes further with this idea, that they want to eradicate them, when all they want is to get their land back. The settlers always have the options to leave and go back to their home countries. Meanwhile Israel as a settler colonial project has to commit genocide to complete itself because as long as a Palestinian people exists, it will demand to get back to its rightful land. Finally you are wrong about the reasons why people in Palestine support violence. They do so, because it is the only thing protecting them from annihilation. For Israelis it is a mix between believing, they need to commit genocide as being the perpetrator protects them from being the victims, classic imperialist greed and a big portion of racism and fascism.

          But in the end Israel will destroy itself from within as all fascist states do eventually. The question is how many more people the US helps them to murder in the meantime.

  • rekabis@lemmy.ca
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    43
    arrow-down
    4
    ·
    4 months ago

    As much as I think that he was too old for the position… JFC. If the Dems don’t nominate Kamala Harris as his replacement, the entire Democratic nomination will be filled with so much infighting that they will lose the faith of their electorate and the next election.

    If only more Dems were left-of-centre such that Bernie was a viable option. Unfortunately almost all of them are right-lite.

    • sploosh@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      14
      ·
      edit-2
      4 months ago

      Taking over the news cycle following the RNC while invalidating some of the rhetoric from it.

    • Eggyhead@lemmings.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      13
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      edit-2
      4 months ago

      Probably so Russia couldn’t have enough time to properly ramp up an anti-Harris propaganda machine.

      • PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        4
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        4 months ago

        I can guarantee they already had that shit ready to go, in case Biden pulled a McConnell and stroked out in front of a camera. His advanced age is 100% a factor in them being ready to deploy the Harris hate, because he (along with much of our elected officials) could keel over at any moment simply due to old age.

    • ashok36@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      7
      ·
      4 months ago

      I stopped donating after the debate. I sent a donation today for 3x my usual. If they only respond to money, then withholding it is the only way to make them listen.

      • thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        7
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        edit-2
        4 months ago

        I think she’s as fine a candidate as we’re likely to get. The biggest bonus is breaking the glass ceiling, once and for ever. Not just a woman but a woman of a colorful heredity. It will be the best thing to happen in this era of bullshit politics.

        • chiliedogg@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          3
          ·
          4 months ago

          Gretchen Whitmer would be an interesting choice. She would probably deliver Michigan and free up resources for the other states that matter.

        • coffee_with_cream@sh.itjust.works
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          3
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          4 months ago

          No talk of issues or positions here. Just “her sex and skin color.” Maybe that will get some people out to vote, but they did the same thing for Hillary and it did not work. “First woman president, she deserves it”

        • systemglitch@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          3
          arrow-down
          4
          ·
          4 months ago

          I don’t know, that sounds awfully sexist and racist. There are a thousand things more important about a person than their heritage and sex.

          • CoggyMcFee@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            2
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            4 months ago

            There are a thousand things more important, and yet our country managed to have a streak of electing only men for hundreds of years, despite the fact that there have always been just as many women in the country. It shouldn’t matter, but it does.

    • FlexibleToast@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      4 months ago

      This means Harris shouldn’t have an advantage. She only had the advantage that she could use the funds that Biden raised.

  • reallykindasorta@slrpnk.net
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    21
    arrow-down
    5
    ·
    4 months ago

    Bernie 2024, even if he dies of a heart attack first day his appointments would change the country for good and I don’t trust any party politicians on Palestine.

      • jeffw@lemmy.worldM
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        10
        ·
        4 months ago

        Biden just endorsed Kamala, so that much is likely. The VP will probably be one from a shortlist of 5 or so governors/senators from swing states.

        • FlowVoid@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          5
          ·
          4 months ago

          Maybe, but then the swing state could end up with a GOP governor. That’s one reason why VPs are often from safe seats, eg Harris, Pence, Biden, Palin, Quayle…

          • jeffw@lemmy.worldM
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            4 months ago

            The shortlist I’ve seen thrown around a lot so far is pretty much Whitmer, Shapiro, Cooper, and Kelly. Maybe someone like Beshear, but I’d call that slightly lower odds than the others. I think they will probably lean away from a 2 woman ticket too

          • Semi-Hemi-Lemmygod@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            4 months ago

            This is why I’m really hoping they don’t pick Shapiro. Having three democratic governors in a row is a fluke in PA and I don’t think we’d avoid getting a Republican next.

      • WanderingVentra@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        4
        ·
        edit-2
        4 months ago

        That would be cool but I suspect it will be a white, straight man to balance out the ticket for the racists and sexists. Maybe someone from a swing state.

          • dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            3
            ·
            4 months ago

            Pandering to the right, yes - but this is just how coalitions work. Obama’s ability to appeal to rank and file white workers in places like Michigan is part of how he won. A lot of Obama voters in those states voted for Trump.

            Not everyone on the right is an ideological zealot (even if those are the most visible and make up the base). Being able to pick up some votes among “center-right” voters is a long-standing electoral strategy for the Democrats.

      • ThePyroPython@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        4
        ·
        4 months ago

        As an outside observer I find it hard to believe that a place as right-wing as the US would elect a woman of colour as president. Isn’t that double red rag to the nutjob bulls?

        • gh0stcassette@lemmy.blahaj.zone
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          4
          ·
          4 months ago

          We elected Obama already, and the people who are so racist/sexist that they wouldn’t vote for Harris are mostly voting Trump. Plus, her being a woman means she can go way harder on Abortion, which is a winning strategy atm since support for abortion rights is insanely high and Republicans are actively trying to ban it completely.

      • acosmichippo@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        edit-2
        4 months ago

        that would be great, but there’s no way they double down on minorities and women in the same ticket. get ready for a biden jr as the VP.

      • Gerudo@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        4 months ago

        Hot damn I had forgotten about a new vp pick in the middle of all this. AOC won’t be it but needs to be.

      • John Richard@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        0
        arrow-down
        5
        ·
        4 months ago

        Seeing AOC oddly shill for Biden before he dropped out… which I’d expect from Pelosi, Schumer & Schiff, but not from her. She may actually be trying to get the VP spot.

        • mosiacmango@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          4
          ·
          edit-2
          4 months ago

          Or you could read her arguments, which were direct and pragmatic. She was talking about how difficult this would be logistically, and that it would have been better to do 6 months ago, you know, when the progressive wing of the party raised the issue.

          AOC was “shilling” for some consistency, backbone and party unity out of a pragmatic need to beat back fascism. Now that this choice has been made, I’m betting she will continue with the same intent.

          • TipRing@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            0
            ·
            4 months ago

            Further, Bernie and AOC are rather well aware that the progressive wing of the party would likely be blamed for “party disunity” if Biden stayed in and lost. They will not do anything to let the DNC scapegoat their caucus.

          • John Richard@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            0
            arrow-down
            3
            ·
            4 months ago

            Biden was going to lose and he was making other Democrats lose. What did you expect the party to do, unite behind losing to Trump?

            AOC was prob smart, saw Biden didn’t believe he was going to lose and saw an opportunity before it played out.

        • the_tab_key@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          4
          ·
          4 months ago

          Which is hilarious because Pelosi, Schumer, and Schiff were all against Biden continuing in the race…

          AOC understands politics and thinks things through, that’s it.

          • John Richard@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            0
            arrow-down
            2
            ·
            4 months ago

            AOC has always been considered an outsider to Democrat leadership. She prob was thinking things through, but I don’t think it is because she thought Biden was going to win.

        • SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          4
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          4 months ago

          Politics is about getting the things you want, not dunking on people that disagree with you on a couple of things. You gotta compromise with people to get what you want. People feel like being uncompromising is somehow admirable, but in politics it means you get nothing. MAGAs are uncompromising, and they get a lot of likes on social media for it, but they’ve accomplish exactly nothing after winning the House in 2022.

          Biden has been good for the progressive wing of the party, and they may not get as good of a deal with Harris as they did with Biden. They will have to negotiate compromises with someone new and may not get as much.

          So do you rather politicians compromising and getting something to benefit you, or grandstanding and accomplishing nothing except providing a small amount of entertainment for you?

          • John Richard@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            1
            arrow-down
            3
            ·
            4 months ago

            Biden has seriously hurt the party. If they enthrone Kamala without doing some balanced process to have her debate or compete against anyone else, and she somehow beats Trump then… I fully expect Republicans to take the House & Senate because of the damage Biden did to the party.

            Politics is about compromise. I fully agree with you on that. To get things passed, you actually have to call up Republicans and ask them if they’ll try to work with you and what their vision is, and what they’d like to do… and try to come to an agreement.

            AOC has likely done the same here. She saw an opportunity to get something or to help progressives in some way, which required taking a backseat for a little while, but ultimately she’ll get something in return. I get it and understand that. It was just surprising.

            The DNC & Clinton seriously damaged the Democrat party in 2016, and Biden has restored some consistency, but it shifted significantly the right after that. Lest not forget Biden gleefully supporting a genocidal maniac and sending weapons to kill thousands of children. Its pretty sad when Democrats argue that more children would have died under Trump, so that somehow makes it okay.

        • Carrolade@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          4 months ago

          She just did the calculus that Biden was our best shot, due to a whole shitton of different factors from Biden’s support among elderly voters, union support, money raised, polls being pretty crap for a few cycles now, shit like that.

          Now there will be logistical challenges, we have a lot of uncertainty ahead. She wanted to avoid that until we got some better answers.

          • John Richard@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            0
            arrow-down
            4
            ·
            4 months ago

            Biden bros: No one has a plan if Biden drops out. Everyone else: Here is our plan. Biden bros still: No one has a plan if Biden drops out.

            Plan was open convention where delegates decide.

              • John Richard@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                0
                arrow-down
                4
                ·
                4 months ago

                What is better… knowing Biden would lose to Trump, or being uncertain who the delegates will choose before the convention?

                • ilmagico@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  ·
                  4 months ago

                  Nobody knew for sure Biden would lose and nobody knows for sure that whoever is picked will win. It was high uncertainty all along.

    • JackFrostNCola@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      5
      ·
      4 months ago

      I think bernie could wipe the floor with any sitting senator of any age he comes up against but with bidens age and recent performance there is no way you will convince everyone with bernies age factor.

  • nexusband@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    10
    ·
    4 months ago

    From my European point of view, i just hope she picks Kelly as her VP. A progressive Astronaut, Ambassador for UNITED24 and someone that knows that we should save us from the ultimate climate collapse…maybe we can get Alexander Gerst here in Germany to do some politics :D

  • taiyang@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    8
    ·
    4 months ago

    In 2016 it was a “Vote Against Trump Regardless Of Who It Is”. It’s shaping up to be that again, but this gives me hope that maybe we’ll have someone we can vote for that we like… Even if just a little. Harris is no Obama in charm, but it’s a step in the right direction.