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    Why do we allow so many terrorists to own guns?

    If you use a gun to commit a crime, you should lose the right to own guns forever.

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      Maybe, just Maybe if one of these fucking right wing nuts take out a politician then watch real quick we will get new gun laws. Long as they shooting up schools, and churches and hurting us common folk nothing will change.

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        Easiest way to kickstart it is arming at-risk minorities.

        California's strict gun laws have their roots in white conservatives' reaction to the Black Panthers marching with rifles while St. Reagan was governor of the state.

        The upside of this strategy is that if the gun laws don't change, then at least those minorities will have some means of protecting themselves.

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        If they kill a Democrat, the right will just cheer. If they kill a Republican, the right will proclaim loud and long how this proves they're the victims of violent Democrats and it'll get brought up for years to "both sides" political violence, the way that the Congressional baseball game shooting is today. Plus the more deranged part of the base wall immediately create new conspiracy theories about how it wasn't really a Republican/right-winger that did the shooting, it was a left-wing antifa/FBI plant controlled by George Soros, Bill Gates and Tom Hanks using the space lasers to control their 5G+vaccine zombie trial and now that the trial run has succeeded you all need to be aware because the civil defense sirens will sound at 10pm next Tuesday and that's the signal for the National Guard to come through and scour the neighborhood and arrest everyone and intern then into FEMA camps.

        Edit: fix autocorrect words

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          If they kill a Republican, the right will official loud and long hours this proves they’re the victims

          …and then pass rules that Republicans politicians at all levels be exempt from any gun restrictions, even on someone else's private property. They would proudly wear hip holsters onto the House floor during debate and claim that is the only way they can be safe. The first shooting victim on the House floor will be a person of color from a Republican gun.

          If it happens to be a radical from the left that does the initial killing, then there's even a possibility Republicans would support gun restrictions on Democrats.

          Remember, the conservative answer to too much gun violence is always adding additional guns.

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          I am going to have to deduct points there. You forgot to add in Hunter Biden and laptop into your well developed right wing conspiracy theory.

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        I would say "only if that politician was Republican" but based on their response to Jan 6 I unfortunately have to think that even then they wouldn't budge

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        No definitely not. They didn't do anything after Gabby Giffords was shot back in 2011, they're not going to now.

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      Maybe not 100% of the time but at least 80-90% of the time it's always the police, or DA failing to do their job properly. If you're pending a felony trial you cannot own/buy guns until you're proven innocent, and they should be confiscated. I cannot imagine how this man would not be chargeable.

      Similar goes for many shootings, they plea down to a lesser charge or the cops just don't do their job and let go obvious crimes.

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        Can’t keep your position as a sheriff or DA who are always “tough on crime”. When you start holding right wing gun owners to the law they get upset and won’t vote for you. They’re the ones most punishment-happy and also simultaneously hold themselves above the law, as events over the last several years should obviously indicate.

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      Which will promptly turn in to

      As you can see, the defendant, a biological MAN in a dress, was carrying a pistol in HIS purse when HE tried to invade a women's bathroom to express HIS sick gender delusion. I ask the fine Texans of this jury, would you let this sick MAN rape your daughters at gunpoint?

      I'm not making a sophistical argument, they already do this. It's just that they currently focus more on codewords like "thug" to make sure a black man who had three joints in his house can never vote again. If you want gun control, arm every LGBT person in the country and Republicans will ban everything more advanced than a rubber band shooter the very next day, just like how the first sweeping gun control legislation was instituted by then-Governor Reagan to keep the Black Panthers down.

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        Texas will legalize biracial transgender lesbian atheists before Texas starts actually taking people’s guns away.

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          Texas takes (usually black) people's guns away all the time, they're not even close to having the most permissive gun laws in the country. As with all things Republicans do, Texan gun culture is massively hypocritical to fulfill a racist double standard.

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            Texas takes (usually black) people's guns away all the time

            Is that data available to the public?

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        If you want gun control, arm every LGBT person in the country and Republicans will ban everything more advanced than a rubber band shooter the very next day

        If you're interested in trying this, you should know that there are groups who promote legal, safe, and responsible use of firearms for self-defense of the sexual-minority community.

        About The Pink Pistols
        “Thirty-one states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible.“
        –Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000
        We did. There are now over 45 Pink Pistols chapters nationwide, and more are starting up every day. We are dedicated to the legal, safe, and responsible use of firearms for self-defense of the sexual-minority community. We no longer believe it is the right of those who hate and fear gay, lesbian, bi, trans, or polyamorous persons to use us as targets for their rage. Self-defense is our RIGHT.
        https://www.pinkpistols.org/about-the-pink-pistols/

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        I’m not making a sophistical argument, they already do this.

        Sadly you're 100% correct. They cling to the bathroom panic even though their arguments have basically no basis whatsoever in reality. Even the "Family Research Council", a religious right-wing think-tank, was only able to find 23 cases of “bathroom incidents” over the span of 18 years - most of which involved cis men, not trans women or even crossdressers, and two cases of discrimination against trans women who were just using the bathroom. Plus in one case a conservative man entered the women's changing room when KIDS were changing to "make a point" about a nondiscrimination law that was recently passed. Everything these creeps claim the left is doing is always just projection.

        Meanwhile states that discriminate against trans students have the same rate of sexual assault as other states, and trans teens are much more likely to be victims of assault, especially when they're denied access to facilities that match their identity:

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      Kind of self-explanatory. People who are willing to commit crime with guns also don't care if law forbids them owning one.

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        Which is why when you pull back the layers, most efforts to curb gun ownership ultimately leads to full confiscation and bans. Restrictions won't do what they want.

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          That's not true. Banning felons from having guns allows the police to arrest them before a new crime is committed, because they are breaking the gun possession law. They don't have to wait until the eventual robbery or whatever is in progress.

          It also adds another crime to tack on after the fact to get a confession more easily. It's easier to prove that a felon possessed a gun than to examine their intent in a minor robbery (robbery vs assault vs attempted murder).

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            Felons are already prohibited from firearm posession… and have been for quite some time. Violent offenders are regularly released back into the streets. Not sure what your point is.

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              You said:

              Restrictions won't do what they want

              I provided some examples of how that gun restriction helps prosecute repeat offenders.

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      The trouble with that is you cannot be deprived of rights without due process. You cannot be guilty of committing a crime with a gun without having gone to trial or plead out. It would be highly unlikely to get some law pushed through that survives both NRA opposition/propaganda and the inevitable SCOTUS case.

      Bail could be used if they still pose a risk, but that's not entirely the point of bail and would also see heavy opposition.

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        Due process doesn't mean found guilty in a court of law. If that's what it meant then nobody could be held in jail or in police custody even before their trial. If you are booked for a felony, especially one involving a gun, I believe it's perfectly reasonable to have your guns taken temporarily or permanently if you're found guilty of a felony offense.

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          If you are booked for a felony, especially one involving a gun, I believe it's perfectly reasonable to have your guns taken temporarily or permanently if you're found guilty of a felony offense.

          Federal law prohibits possession of a firearm by an individual who has been indicted for a felony. I think that a judge may prohibit possession of a firearm as a condition of pretrial release for lesser crimes, but that may vary from one state to the next. I am not sure.

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      Repeal 2A with exceptions for people who actually live in the wilderness or can prove they have a need to own one for their livelihood