Basically title, every bit of online dating nowadays is either Match or Meta, and we're all about breaking corporate chains right?
So these are the thoughts I had:
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Matches based on simple user selection: age range, lifestyle, hobbies etc. None of that dumb algorithm stuff that makes you reset your profile every month.
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ActivityPub protocol so that anyone can run their own instance, but can also be blocked if anything heinous happens.
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E2EE for messaging (and anything else if it's possible).
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Someone wrote an open-source anti-CSAM script for Lemmy recently, I hope we could adapt that to our use.
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Just, like, everyone have a good time on this app, we're here for love lol
I am not a coder, so I would have no idea how to do this, but I wonder about the interest in such a creation. Maybe some of you out there could make something I could use to get a date (pls).
ActivityPub protocol so that anyone can run their own instance, but can also be blocked if anything heinous happens.
The overlap between the users who will run their own instance and the users you want for a dating app is the empty set.
(Speaking as someone that runs a personal Lemmy instance here)
I'll bring you a grass box
Is that some kind of advanced seed box? At least that'll help keep my torrent ratios up!
Neckbeards fighting about Linux. No girls in sight.
Like Lemmy.
Select your distro, sock color, and [top|bottom].
I use arch btw
Sausages everywhere
I don't think there's any chick's here dude. It's just us.
Can we please leave this awful mindset behind on reddit
it's probably true though, and when talking about a dating site that's an important factor
Yeah there's no chicks here dude bro
I don't exist
the overwhelming majority are guys I mean
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bats eyelashes
briefly forgot men have eyelashes too and got excited
Do bats even have eyelashes 🦇
Wrong type of bat 🏏
My wife is here, but for obvious reasons, her identify will remain hidden.
Everyone's identity should remain hidden, don't sell yourself short bud.
Jokes on my wife, I was still 3 cover names deep when she changed hers.
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You need actual moderation to keep people safe.
Lmfao fuck no
All lack of moderation gets you is spam bots. Current platforms are unmoderated
In theory? Yes. In reality? No.
Besides all the practical reasons already mentioned, it's simply a question of marketing to get people into it. Which costs money noone wants to pay because it kills the principle of breaking free of corpo-hold. Without marketing you'll end up with the nerds that are already here (majority). And of those, the majority are probably also male.
And on top of that, you might find other people living in NYC but what about smaller cities or even foreign ones? With reddits userbase you probably could, but you don't reach them because they already prefer mainstream-stuff 😐
And of those, the majority are probably also male.
Ok we start with a federated Grindr, then once that takes off we use the network effects to pull in other orientations…
Lol. But… We already have grindr. If I'd be gay, why should i use anything else? 😁
It's still controlled by a single organization, it's not federated, it's not open, it's not Democratic. So if we're trying to bring democracy to more platforms, why not grinder?
Yea but if I'm going on grindr my main desire is dick not democracy. Grindr is much more of a hookup app than a dating one so your trying to market to a customer based blinded by horniness.
Makes it easier to get a MVP working then :)
How much democracy can one expect from a blowjob?
As long as the participants have symmetrical information and are not influenced by a third party, it's very democratic
Actually i don't know shit about grinder. Just that it exists. But as long as it's free (i assume?) and fair, i wouldn't mind. Most platforms are (or end up) squeezing guys for every penny they have in hopes of finding someone. That is a system that disgusts me.
But simply technically: too few nerdy gays to build a federated grinder. And no cash to market it. And every potential gay would just be like "there's already grinder, where is the added benefit?"
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Yep. Dating services are hard mode for the network effect, because you need to find a bunch of users that are close to you.
Aye. Would kinda defeat the purpose if there'd be noone near. And the chances that one person near you does also like you is… Well… Let's say, it sucks for the majority of men.
I'd actually guess the man would leave first most of the time. There's way too many dudes that rely on dragnet mass messaging to anyone they find attractive, to the point where they make it difficult for all the other men.
Aye. Pointless.
I swear there’s a group of people who want everything to be “federated” without really understanding what that means. It’s cryptobros 2.0. Let’s make a block-chain based dating app too!
Congrats you discovered a new technology - not everything needs to run on that technology.
Can we federate a block chain?
Need to sprinkle in some AI!
If you're actually interested:
Ethereum was originally supposed to scale by sharding - essentially splitting the chain into X shards that are independent but can talk to each other.
Better solutions have been come up with so it didn't end up happening, but it's the closes thing to a "federated" blockchain.
Your comment sounds like a Brandon Sanderson piece, with shards and all.
For a moment I was lost because there is no shard Ethereum.
Federation is not just a new technology, it's a new (imo better!) way to govern and distribute power in online services. Of course we should explore the possibility of creating federated alternatives for everything, we would be dumb not to. And it's fine if for some of the services the answer is no, that doesn't make the question bad!
The problem with Crypto imo is that many people don't actually want to improve things, especially the loud ones. They just want to make a profit and have no problem scamming others for it.
a new (imo better!) way to govern and distribute power in online services
I'd argue federation is the old way, the original way the internet was built, and the centralized walled-garden ecosystems ran by FAANG is the new way. Email, usenet, even http and world wide web itself are examples of federation.
Yeah I think you're right, in fact federated systems have existed even before the internet. But it's new for the kinds of services we use today, like globally connected instant messengers and social networks.
I think people need to go outside and interact with each other in person. That's the best way to date.
It's true. At 28 I'd been dateless for 10 years, doing the sad neckbeard incel thing. One day a friend of a friend received two free tickets to a speed dating event. He didn't want to go, but he said he would go if someone else went with him for moral support. In a very out-of-character move for me, I volunteered and went along with him. It was the first time in over 5 years I'd been to a bar. We did 5 minute dates with 15 different women. It was the most women I've spoken to in one night in my whole life. There was only one candidate I connected with, I submitted her as a match. The next day I got an email saying that she had matched with me too! I got her email, and chatted via email for about 6 weeks, then organised to go on a real date. The rest is history from there, we're coming up to our 10th wedding anniversary.
So yes, going outside, interacting with people, it works. Its not a trick guys.
That's not "going outside", that's going to IRL tinder
How do you think he got there? Tunnels?
The people I'm interested in dating would pay to step into a human sized microwave before going outside.
Do they think that will prevent COVID?
the true federated dating app, touching grass
I don't think it federates, but there's Alovoa, an open source dating platform.
You know, I am single and have been curious about dating apps for a while. But I never really got over the hurdle of making a profile because of how much of a hellscape it seems. I may be curious enough to make a profile in this website tonight (fully expecting 0 users in my entire country)
I took the leap last year into algorithmic dating, and it's been a great experience. Go in with no expectations just try to have as much fun, delight, conversation, wonder as possible and roll with the punches. There is always an adventure waiting.
I've meet with people all over, done little adventures, and got good friends out of it, and even some romance. Toally worth it to explore.
When you say algorithmic dating, did you try multiple apps or just one? Did you have more positive experiences with any one app?
I may do it, but I'm a bit shy about the account creation part, specifically having to take pictures of myself which are not terrible. I feel like I'm decently attractive, but I hate all pictures of me. I think this is honestly my biggest hurdle.
Tried multiple, basically it doesn't matter how good the app is, but where the people are. Different apps are popular in different places.
Everyone you haven't met is a stranger, it doesn't matter what strangers think. Just take your photos and make a profile, don't worry about it. Get the profile going and just see what happens, no pressure, all strangers anyway.
It doesn't matter if you don't like your own photos, your not trying to match with yourself. We are our own worst critics, other people are more forgiving.
Thanks! I'm almost wondering if a federated dating platform would even work, given the moderation challenges.
Edit: Also there were like, three women in my area, so that's problematic.
I tried it. Pretty cool, but the closest user to me was 270 km away. Maybe one day I'll meet her, but for now I guess it doesn't have critical mass for me.
Wouldn't work.
Much of the online dating market is an oligopoly run by two main players: Match Group and Bumble Inc.
Bumble Inc own Bumble and Badoo while Match Group own nearly every other major platform like Hinge, Tinder, OkCupid, POF and a few others.
This oligopoly is the reason why mainstream online dating is an unmoderated mess filled with scammers, OnlyFans advertising bots and otherwise fake users. Said users inflate the company's registration metrics massively and sucker people into paying several times the price of a WoW subscription just to see who liked their profile. Major switches to mobile also make it much harder for users to run reverse image searches and weed out these fakes more quickly.
A dating platform on the fediverse would be an even worse experience, not because of corporate greed but because inviting everybody and their mother to create a new instance creates serious content moderation issues. Expect this platform to be even more flooded with bots, spammers, scammers and other bad actors.
I never understood reddit as a dating site. And the problems there are only amplified on Lemmy.
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user density in the geographic region I would date within. With reddit, at least I was quite sure there were other users within an hours drive of me
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it's not a dating site and not set up with the guardrails needed to make it even marginally safe. If a person on Bumble starts being scary, there are some ways to report then and they will possibly be removed or restricted from the platform. On reddit and Lemmy, the responses will be one of the following "free speech, get wrecked", "if you don't want to be abused/harassed, you shouldn't go into public spaces", or "you signed up for the site, you asked for it", or "give them a chance, they are probably just not good at dating skills" or even Andrew Tate acolyte bullshit that I don't want to think about.
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distribution of gender and of sexual orientation across the platform. I would be surprised if Lemmy userbase is less than 95% men. Unless those men are gay/bi at an improbably high rate, there aren't going to be many people available to match with.
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"everyone have a good time, we're here for love" says the hordes of people who are actually here to waste time with no intention to actually date, cruise for nudes, or to data mine peoples personal information.
Tl;Dr if actual dating apps are not bringing a person dating success, nothing about Lemmy will be any better.
Gay nerd dating site
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That is a terrible idea
Yes, as so many others have said.
Federated or not, dating sites don't work well
I'm getting married next week. Met her on Tinder. Sometimes they absolutely do work
I used some dating apps on and off for about 4 years and got probably a couple dozen or so genuine not bot matches. Most of which didn't last for more than a message or two. Even ran my profile by some of my women friends who I trust and they said it looked good. While obviously it works for some people, the experience for most people isn't that great. These apps make their money by keeping people on the platform so getting matches goes against their main profit motive. The traditional methods work a lot better.
I got ghosted by the only 2 bots that messaged me.
Why would they work well? Their business model doesn't incentivize dating apps to work well. They sell subscriptions so they'd rather their users stay perpetually single and become increasingly desperate.
Maybe if ur ugly lol
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The main hurdles I see are
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moderation of troll users, the unending flood of dick pics.
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Spammers, catfishers, who love to flood these sites.
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Not giving away too much privacy in terms of location sharing, or seeing who matches with whom.
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Safety, what if something goes wrong with a date, what recourse do people have?
I think the upside is bigger then the downsides. It's worth the effort to build, just needs lots of thought to do in a decentralized way.
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Somehow you'd want to continuously federate new instances to keep the userbase connected.
Does Lemmy do this? Like I said, almost no coding experience here, I took a couple of years of AP Comp Sci (Java) in high school and it stuck like the couple of years of Spanish class in middle school (es un tigre in mis pantolones).
Does Lemmy do this?
Kinda. More accurately, it federates with any instance its users decide to follow (unless explicitly defederated by instance admins)
the problem with dating platforms is like they open and people start mixing and then many just leave the dating pool as they match up or give up. The remaining people lean a little less dateable. Once this short term process repeats a hundred times there's always some degree of permament toxic residents on a dating site.
This begs a feature dating sites should have is a shutdown date the minute they open.
