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  • Here are some properties of any conspiracy theory worth it’s name:

    • Closed Ideological Systems: They provide an all-encompassing explanation for various events or states, with everything fitting into their worldview.
    • Immunity to Facts: Any contrary evidence is dismissed as false or considered part of the conspiracy.
    • Enemy Construction: They tend to draw a clear line between "us" (those who "know the truth") and "them" (the supposed conspirators).
    • Adaptability: Conspiracy narratives can change and incorporate new "evidence" or events to maintain their credibility.

    It matches for QAnon and the MAGA crowd as well as the lemmygrad crowd.


  • Your comment reads like you're addressing mostly the history since 2005 or so. I definitely see that Israel after the 2nd intifada has had a very different strategy than before, including these things that you outline.

    Just don't ignore that there was a history before. There was an offer for a 2-state solution on the table where the world agreed it won't get any better. Arafat just walked away and started the 2nd intifada instead. Hamas is still much older than that. Irans support of the Hamas is newer, though.

    It's so lame to blame it all on Israel. My take on this still is that for the security of Israel, it doesn't matter much what Israel does. Their tries for peace negotiations were largely ignored, and their hard crackdowns do shit for their security. The signal to deescalate the conflict must come from Iran, which will impact how Hamas and Hisbollah work.


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    10 months ago

    Yes, there is all that. As I said, I think Netanyahu and his bunch belong in jail, not in power.

    But even if this guy is out of the way, here’s a few more questions to consider:

    • Do you agree that after Oct 7th, Israels strategy of building a wall and an “iron dome” must be considered totally failed?
    • Do you agree that the Hamas can not be talked with?
    • Do you agree that in addition to the Hamas, Israel is surrounded by militant groups that want to erase the state from the map?
    • Do you agree that in the past no palestinean negotiator honestly considered a 2-state-solution?

    What are, positively speaking, Israels options? What should a moderate follower of Netanyahu do to achieve some sort of piece? I’m lost here. Do you have any ideas other than saying “not this way”?


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    10 months ago

    That is at best a totally skewed version. Yea we know Netanyahu for a few years let the Hamas grow, and we have records of him with vaguely the reasoning you have there.

    But to make Israel entirely responsible for the existence, what the Hamas does and wants, demands a world view of an all powerful Jewish government that plans and executes for immense time frames that span generations. Don’t we have that though pattern in widely spread antisemitic conspiracy theories?





  • To the leftist who is stunned by this message:

    Think of Jordan Peterson. There was a time where he was riled up against “ideologies who would kill people in the name of a higher good.” And he named examples, Stalin and Mao most prominently. For all the abstract criticisms of ideologies, he rarely distances himself from Fascism, named Hitler only very occasionally as an example.

    Now he is forethinker for the Republican Fascist party which is now normalizing the exact dehumanizing language that the Nazis used to prepared and justify their concentration camps.

    Antifascists caught his thought patterns early on and warned of him using fascist arguments much more sensitive than most people, the missing distancing from Hitler along his other prominent examples being one of them.

    Now, dear leftists, the mirror of this arguments wants to ask you if you are really only motivated by reducing human suffering and wanting peace. And if so, you cannot ignore the role of Hamas in this longtime ongoing conflict nor in this war. If you skip that, if that’s not in your mirror, it’s big time necessary to go outside your bubble. Because then chances are you are a puppet playing the propaganda trumpet for the Hamas, or otherwise playing in their hands.