Lol 6 months? Where at? Most places I know of it’s 6 weeks.

Elected positions always have that risk, but normally there is some kind of expectation of relevant experience by voters.

In Sweden (and most European countries?) you need a two year education (1,5 yr theoretical, 0,5 yr field training) before you can work as a police officer. I think in parts of US the training is just a matter of weeks/months, which is very little considering the situations one need to handle.

Very much depends where you live.

I’ve always thought it seemed like a design flaw that whole people can be created accidentally.

This is somewhat location specific, each American state has their own rules for the judges, and some require law school and legal experience.

In what country are they not required to have gone through law school?

While thats technically allowed in Canada. When the Conservative party tried to do it under Harper and then-minister Poilievre to start stacking the court system with cronies, every part of the system raised hell enough for evem those religious nutters to back off.

I wonder if that’s one of those things where everyone thought it didn’t need to be codified, because “of course you would select someone qualified”, until modern politics proved that false

In my state, I see that seems to have held true

• https://www.mass.gov/news/how-a-judge-is-selected-in-massachusetts

There is no law or constitutional provision that states that a judge should have a background as a lawyer, but the governor’s Executive Order states the educational and work experience that a successful candidate should have. (No non-lawyer has advanced to become a judge in modern times.)

Specify the country. Here (NL) judges must have gone through law school.

There’s stories of small towns hiring sheriff’s which were related to the mayor.

And John Oliver’s dive into Sheriff’s in this Guardian Article: Tremendous amount of authority with low accountability’

Police reform is a uphill battle.

1. Reagan
2. Trump

Don’t forget George W. Bush. Not a celebrity bit certainly an idiot.

Worst are “constitutional sheriffs,” who claim the power and duty to defy or disregard laws they regard as unconstitutional (read: I don’t like this). They essentially try to reign supreme in their counties.

Did they show you that awesome german workplace injury video?

I’m a certified forklift trainer and the training I needed for that was a single day that ended in a simple test…

You’re forklift certified?? I bow to you

We don’t have time to train people to make good decisions. Let’s just train them to say, “Yessir!”

Jesus yeah I completely believe you.

Perun (youtuber) sums it up- for many militaries there is no organisational experience in actual conflict, outside the pomp and ceremony it’s hard to tell what substance exists

I have to admit I often think about sliding into one of these “prestigious but just need to be likeable with no experience” loophole-esque positions…

But instead of acting like I’m “the boss” and pretending to know what I’m talking about while ruining everything, I’d find the best people in the field and make sure I’m listening to them and supporting them in doing their jobs instead.

Just there to keep idiot managers off peoples’ backs and listen to people who actually know what they’re doing.

I imagine that’s “not how it works”…but still.

Hey, some places it’s the county Sheriff that’s the coroner… which is also bad.

Sometimes people die in the county jail… and almost every time it’s not needed to perform an autopsy- it’s just natural causes…

The coroner needs to be an impartial medical professional.

… That’s disturbing

4 years of medical school and a few years of residency (and maybe fellowship) in pathology. So you’re talking 12 to 16 years of post-high school education because it’s becoming more and more common to have to have a post-bacc or a master’s to get into medical school in the first place.

Sounds like something from the Old Wild West which somehow was never revised.

It must vary by location. I know I’ve never voted for county coroner. After a little digging, it sounds like my county did away with its elected position over a hundred years ago.

My partner works in food service and always comments that despite what conservative Kens and Karens think, you really don’t want adolescents to be the primary handlers of things you put inside your body, especially not that last little bit where they’re supposed to cook off all the bacteria and viruses.

The mold remediation is something I was forced to deal with at our 2nd house we bought, was a foreclosured place that had been sitting, bank wouldn’t sell it until the mold in the basement was taken care of, the “professionals” the bank hired, literally were 2 young kids probably 19 or 20, that came in and just ripped out all the drywall and tossed it in the driveway, then left all the wall studs still covered in mold, in. Told the bank they were done and the bank agreed with it. I don’t know how much they paid them but it wasn’t worth more than the 2 hours of labor to demo some drywall.

Pharm tech licensing varies wiiiiidely across the states. Some require natl very, some require basically on job training IIRC.

RPh not so much, but tech also has responsibility not to kill you with a misfill and more eyes are always good for preventing deaths.

The shit wages they pay in relation to being responsible in part for safety and accuracy (in retail) is a big part of why most retail is dangerously understaffed.

Same for insurance agents and real estate agents in many (most?) of US. HS, a couple weeks of “teaching to the test,” and a test is all it takes. Rote memorisation. - lots of those younger folks in insurance couldn’t define what they may/may not say/promise, or who is an “Insured” under a given policy.

I often wish more of my adult psych patients’ parents had done some reading about psychosocial development and how to support the child at each stage but more importantly I pretty much always wish they’d cared half as much as you did to even ask that question.

My grandmother was the county coroner for a while. She was a pharmacist professionally. In those places, it’s more “give it a quick kick and say they’re dead” (she never did that) more than anything else. She only declared death, not attribute cause to my knowledge.

The other part of it is that, for whatever reason, in my county the only higher arresting authority than the sheriff was the coroner. It was her job to serve him with papers when he was being sued and, not that it ever came up, arrest him when it needed done.

Weird system.

Ah yes like the Boeing employees who shot themselves in the head twice.

I’m a mortician and posted something similar. Morticians go through 4 years of medical school, including pathology and forensics, because it falls on us when the coroner screws up… and they have. The case that hits me the hardest was an infant being given SIDS as the cause of death, but postmortem bruising and broken bones told a different story. The owner had to call police and fake a funeral arrangement while he waited for them to arrive.

Excellent example of a “small” job people don’t realize could accidentally kill someone!

Having a friend who works as a ramp agent as well (in Italy), I am amazed by the amount of work and security requirements that are needed, and at the same time impressed at how nothing bad happens since everything is so messy that it could collapse anytime

It’s above one of the ALT keys.

MBAs who contract dev work out to India to make a quick buck without realizing how bad the code they’re going to get back usually is.

Ah, but some of them DO know what they are doing! In the IT world, I have seen where people say a job is about 2-3 years, show no loyalty to the company, and so on. But they don’t understand managers are doing this, too. Many KNOW these outsourcers are shitty (or don’t care because that’s not a metric they care about beyond selling points), but in a 2-3 year turnaround time, by the time it’s apparent they don’t work, the people who made those decisions are already gone. They ALSO thought ahead to the 2-3 year plan. Here’s how that goes:

Year 1: Make proposal based on costs. Find someone in Puna who will sell you some package with some bright, smiling, educated people who speak whatever language and accent that makes your pitch. Proposals are made, and attached to next year’s budget.

Year 2: Start the crossover. Puna Corp has swapped out the “demo people” for their core chum bucket. Sometimes, they don’t even change the names. How is an American gonna know that the Vivek Patel they saw in the demo is not the same guy named Vivek Patel who is working with your bitter employees who see the writing on the wall? Sadly to many who don’t care, “they all look/sound alike.” Puna is a product, their employees are a static pattern of commodity. Your people say they are shit, but, “oh, those grumbling employees. Your job is safe! We can’t fire you, you are too valuable!”

Year 3: The crossover has gone badly, but you are already looking for the next company to work for. The layoffs happen, and all the good folks are gone, and replaced by the Puna Corp folks. Things start to go badly, but you already got one foot out the door, charming your way into another company.

Year 4: You’re gone. Your legacy is that you saved a butt-ton of money. You are a success! The product is shit, but that’s not your problem. By the time the company realizes the tragedy, it’s middle manager versus middle manager, all backstabbing and jumping ship. Customers don’t matter, marketing covers up the satisfaction. “Wow,” you say. “Things sure when to shit THE MOMENT I LEFT.” You look fantastic! When you were there, you saved money! When you left, it all went downhill! You are a goddamn rockstar. Then repeat.

I have seen this happen since the 90s with a lot of tech folks. Everyone thinking short term for themselves. Only the customers get screwed via enshittification.

I’d go a step further than that - MBAs who not only contract dev out to India but go the cheapest route. I’ve worked with both fantastic teams over there and teams that do more harm than good: the difference is what that MBA was looking for. There’s a lot of great engineers and you can build a great team if that’s what you care about. However you won’t get it by looking for the cheapest contractor in the cheapest country

That’s because professors are still intended to be researchers first, which makes sense for the cutting edge topics, but there’s a ton of college level fundamentals you need to understand first.

9/10 of my graduate professors couldn’t profess their way out of a paper bag. The actually good teachers were limited because they didn’t research enough. Fuck grad school.

I aspired to work in education in college and took a lot of courses on adult education and how to teach people. I recognized that my favorite teachers in K-12 used those techniques , while realizing none of it was done at the college level.

I don’t work in education but I find myself using those techniques all the time in the workplace. And there’s a clear difference between my department’s onboarding and capabilities versus others.

I really noticed this once I found myself at the community college. The school liked to market that you were educated by “working professionals with industry experience.” which translated to the school paying them less than their second, full-time job on top of all the stuff about them not knowing how to teach while they were in charge of the grading of 20+ classes per semester. Prior to that in my experience I had only ever come across professors who were incredibly passionate about what they were teaching or alternatively were incredibly passionate about teaching-itself. it was eye-opening in the most frustrating way.