Some cultures (Arabs, Muslims, Africans, Christians, etc…) just don't accept that as an acceptable norm in their culture and don't want their children to think it's an acceptable lifestyle. As someone who has a plethora of LGBT friends and acquaintances and comes from one of those conservative cultures I simply mean that I respect them and their rights but I also want to raise my children to grow up being cisgender heterosexuals.
Hate to tell you this… I don't know if you have kids yet, but it absolutely does not matter how you raise them, if they're gay they're gay. The only thing you're teaching your children, if they are gay, is that their father probably will hate them if he finds out, and they better hide in the closet until they grow up and can escape you. Nothing else. LGBTQ is not the result of poor parenting, friend, it's genetic.
Except I have yet to meet a single person from my culture be LGBTQ. As far as Europeans/Asians that's been part of their culture for thousands of years and there's nothing wrong with that.
It's not genetic, the scientist who conducted the study says he "thinks so but nobody knows for sure".
There's been a serious fight that's been happening in the past three years regarding exposing and indoctrinating kids into the LGBT world at school and it really is pushing the movement back decades. Like I literally saw a billboard on the highway yesterday that said "matrimony is between a man and a woman". I haven't seen this level of hate directed towards the community since before Obama, and it's all just gaining steam because of this exact argument regarding children.
You're funny. Sure, there are no gays in wherever you're from. Everyone claiming that has been proven factually wrong, but I'm sure your claim is the one that's true…
"I have yet to meet a single person from my culture who is LGBTQ+, so they must not exist. It can't possibly be that my culture has violently sigmatised their existence to the point that they don't feel safe coming out."
"This study can't definitively prove that sexual orientation has a genetic element, so it must not have any genetic component at all."
I don't doubt that they exist but I have yet to meet one in my 30 years on this earth, and it's largely in part due to culture. Why's it hard to accept that LGBT ideas are nurtured into a child from the society they live in not their genes. And even liberal parents like myself don't want their children to be even slightly exposed to LGBT ideas in the school place. If you want to raise your child in that lifestyle then just keep it at home, no need to be exposing other kids to LGBT books and plays at school.
So every book should not have any relationships, right? If indoctrination is bad and wrong, it's bad for everyone, right? No books should include heterosexual relationships, right? No books should discuss gender heteronormativity, right?
There's nothing wrong with being gay, or being trans-gendered. There's also nothing wrong with being straight or cis-gendered. There's also nothing wrong with talking about these things or anyone seeing them. If there is something wrong with one, it's wrong for the others too, unless one is somehow better than the others. If one is better than the others, please elaborate on your reasoning, and before you do understand many animals naturally are gay so an appeal to nature is not an acceptable argument.
my friends male biegel humps the shit out of my leg every time I go over there. That dog is just horny and looking for anything breathing to hump, that does not make him gay. And you are right there's absolutely nothing wrong with being gay or trans (AFAIK). But as your culture has thought you to fully embrace LGBT people/culture into your life, mine has told me to not. I've certainly not embraced the extreme doctrines of my upbringing towards LGBT people, but I still steer my children towards a hetro cis worldview and try to minimize their exposure to anything LGBT, because I'm certain that it's not even slightly biological and it's how they're raised by a strong male role model or lack of.
Nah, dude. They're fucking gay. Your friend's beagle is horny, not gay. He doesn't even know that you're male or female most likely, because you're not the same species.
But as your culture has thought you to fully embrace LGBT people/culture into your life, mine has told me to not.
Nope. Wrong again. Mine told me it's wrong too. I just realized that's stupid. There's no right or wrong with any of it. Religion is stupid, because there's thousands of mutually exclusive religions. The odds of you being right are next to zero. Same for beliefs on gender. None of them are probably "correct" (as far as something can be correct on that) so everyone should just be as accepting as possible to other beliefs and let people be happy. There's nothing to be gained by being an asshole or restricting what other people are allowed to do.
Unless you can give me a reasoned argument why straight people are any more acceptable than others, you should stop trying to restrict what others can do. Straight people have pushed their rules on other people for far too long. (Nature is not an acceptable reason for the argument because, as I've pointed out, many animals are not straight naturally.)
but I still steer my children towards a hetro cis worldview and try to minimize their exposure to anything LGBT, because I'm certain that it's not even slightly biological and it's how they're raised by a strong male role model or lack of.
That's not how any of this works. You can steer a kid towards a cishet worldview all you want, but that won't make a kid any less LGBT.
And biology does play a role in determining a person's sexual orientation and gender identity. Being raised with a "strong male role model" isn't really a factor either, sunshine.
I rarely use Wikipedia as a source, but this boils it down so well. Europeans & Asian countries have practiced homosexuality for centuries, we (Africans & Middle Easterners) do not practice this, nor do we encourage our children to go out and seek an LGBT life so there is no closets they need to come out of.
You may not know about them, and they won't tell you, but they exist. I lived with a Saudi for a while in college who was bi-sexual. He couldn't tell anyone anytime he was there, but when he was allowed to be open about it some people were allowed to know.
Just because it's illegal doesn't mean it doesn't happen. It only means that people suffer. They're still gay, but they'll participate in society as straight because they have to.
Comes from a culture that condemns gay people to death.
"I've never seen a gay person where I'm from. It most certainly has to do with the masculine way my culture raises our kids, and not the stoning to death part."
Some of my closest friends are lesbians, and one ftm trans so I'm the farthest thing from a bigot. I just want hetro cis kids because of my upbringing and culture but you're judging me for wanting that so who's the bigot here bud?
Except I have yet to meet a single person from my culture be LGBTQ. As far as Europeans/Asians that's been part of their culture for thousands of years and there's nothing wrong with that.
Some of my closest friends are lesbians, and one ftm trans
What? I'm assuming your upbringing is different from the culture you're a part of now. You are in a culture that is accepting of non-heteronormative things and you don't even realize it. Please examine what this means to you and why you hold the beliefs that you hold, and try to understand why they're important to you. Also, check to see if they're benificial or better left in the past. Your culture is a choice. It's not some intrinsic unchanging thing.
Imagine thinking that forcing religion and heterosexual norms on a child will change their mind. Your religion does not dictate mine or my kids lives or lifestyles and don’t want that religious indoctrination forced on to us.
Some people (Ally’s, LGBTQIA+, Genderqueer individuals, etc…) just don’t accept that as an acceptable norm in their culture and don’t want their children to think it’s an acceptable lifestyle. As someone who has a plethora of religious friends and acquaintances and comes from one of those liberal cultures I simply mean that I respect them and their rights but I also want to raise my children to grow up being their authentic selfs and living their life.
"grow up being their authentic selfs"? so what age would you introduce them to homosexuality and gender theory? would you rather have them be thought that by their school or are you going to teach them that they can just choose their gender or sexuality?
The same age we introduce children to heterosexuality and gender theory. If the information taught is objectively truthful and backed up by scientific discovery then it makes no difference where it's learned because it will be factual.
At what age is it OK to let your kid read a book with a straight couple? At that age is the same age I'd teach for other option to be fine. There's nothing scary about homosexuality just as there isn't for heterosexuality. If them learning about heterosexual relationships doesn't hurt them, learning about homosexual relationships won't hurt them either.
Nah, nobody's got rights to treat others like shit for who they were born as.
It ain't right when Salafist muslims do it, it ain't right when black africans get told to do it by american evangelical missionaries, and it ain't right when you try to play cover for it by painting it as "just culture."
That behaviour is disgusting barbaric and undeserving of the respect afforded to true cultural differences like language and dress and (non harmful) traditions.
What specifically do you mean by "The LGBT lifestyle".
Some cultures (Arabs, Muslims, Africans, Christians, etc…) just don't accept that as an acceptable norm in their culture and don't want their children to think it's an acceptable lifestyle. As someone who has a plethora of LGBT friends and acquaintances and comes from one of those conservative cultures I simply mean that I respect them and their rights but I also want to raise my children to grow up being cisgender heterosexuals.
Hate to tell you this… I don't know if you have kids yet, but it absolutely does not matter how you raise them, if they're gay they're gay. The only thing you're teaching your children, if they are gay, is that their father probably will hate them if he finds out, and they better hide in the closet until they grow up and can escape you. Nothing else. LGBTQ is not the result of poor parenting, friend, it's genetic.
Except I have yet to meet a single person from my culture be LGBTQ. As far as Europeans/Asians that's been part of their culture for thousands of years and there's nothing wrong with that.
It's not genetic, the scientist who conducted the study says he "thinks so but nobody knows for sure".
There's been a serious fight that's been happening in the past three years regarding exposing and indoctrinating kids into the LGBT world at school and it really is pushing the movement back decades. Like I literally saw a billboard on the highway yesterday that said "matrimony is between a man and a woman". I haven't seen this level of hate directed towards the community since before Obama, and it's all just gaining steam because of this exact argument regarding children.
Hahahahahahaha
You're funny. Sure, there are no gays in wherever you're from. Everyone claiming that has been proven factually wrong, but I'm sure your claim is the one that's true…
"I have yet to meet a single person from my culture who is LGBTQ+, so they must not exist. It can't possibly be that my culture has violently sigmatised their existence to the point that they don't feel safe coming out."
"This study can't definitively prove that sexual orientation has a genetic element, so it must not have any genetic component at all."
I don't doubt that they exist but I have yet to meet one in my 30 years on this earth, and it's largely in part due to culture. Why's it hard to accept that LGBT ideas are nurtured into a child from the society they live in not their genes. And even liberal parents like myself don't want their children to be even slightly exposed to LGBT ideas in the school place. If you want to raise your child in that lifestyle then just keep it at home, no need to be exposing other kids to LGBT books and plays at school.
So every book should not have any relationships, right? If indoctrination is bad and wrong, it's bad for everyone, right? No books should include heterosexual relationships, right? No books should discuss gender heteronormativity, right?
There's nothing wrong with being gay, or being trans-gendered. There's also nothing wrong with being straight or cis-gendered. There's also nothing wrong with talking about these things or anyone seeing them. If there is something wrong with one, it's wrong for the others too, unless one is somehow better than the others. If one is better than the others, please elaborate on your reasoning, and before you do understand many animals naturally are gay so an appeal to nature is not an acceptable argument.
my friends male biegel humps the shit out of my leg every time I go over there. That dog is just horny and looking for anything breathing to hump, that does not make him gay. And you are right there's absolutely nothing wrong with being gay or trans (AFAIK). But as your culture has thought you to fully embrace LGBT people/culture into your life, mine has told me to not. I've certainly not embraced the extreme doctrines of my upbringing towards LGBT people, but I still steer my children towards a hetro cis worldview and try to minimize their exposure to anything LGBT, because I'm certain that it's not even slightly biological and it's how they're raised by a strong male role model or lack of.
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Nah, dude. They're fucking gay. Your friend's beagle is horny, not gay. He doesn't even know that you're male or female most likely, because you're not the same species.
Nope. Wrong again. Mine told me it's wrong too. I just realized that's stupid. There's no right or wrong with any of it. Religion is stupid, because there's thousands of mutually exclusive religions. The odds of you being right are next to zero. Same for beliefs on gender. None of them are probably "correct" (as far as something can be correct on that) so everyone should just be as accepting as possible to other beliefs and let people be happy. There's nothing to be gained by being an asshole or restricting what other people are allowed to do.
Unless you can give me a reasoned argument why straight people are any more acceptable than others, you should stop trying to restrict what others can do. Straight people have pushed their rules on other people for far too long. (Nature is not an acceptable reason for the argument because, as I've pointed out, many animals are not straight naturally.)
That's not how any of this works. You can steer a kid towards a cishet worldview all you want, but that won't make a kid any less LGBT.
And biology does play a role in determining a person's sexual orientation and gender identity. Being raised with a "strong male role model" isn't really a factor either, sunshine.
I rarely use Wikipedia as a source, but this boils it down so well. Europeans & Asian countries have practiced homosexuality for centuries, we (Africans & Middle Easterners) do not practice this, nor do we encourage our children to go out and seek an LGBT life so there is no closets they need to come out of.
You may not know about them, and they won't tell you, but they exist. I lived with a Saudi for a while in college who was bi-sexual. He couldn't tell anyone anytime he was there, but when he was allowed to be open about it some people were allowed to know.
Just because it's illegal doesn't mean it doesn't happen. It only means that people suffer. They're still gay, but they'll participate in society as straight because they have to.
Ohh, so gay people hide their homosexuality when same sex relationships are shunned by their friends and family? What a shocker.
Comes from a culture that condemns gay people to death.
"I've never seen a gay person where I'm from. It most certainly has to do with the masculine way my culture raises our kids, and not the stoning to death part."
People literally get insurance in case their ram is gay. It's common and natural, and I'm pretty sure it isn't because those rams were indoctrinated.
There are gay people around you. They just haven't told you because you're a fucking bigot.
The vast majority of mammalian species have high single digit percentage of gay members.
Some of my closest friends are lesbians, and one ftm trans so I'm the farthest thing from a bigot. I just want hetro cis kids because of my upbringing and culture but you're judging me for wanting that so who's the bigot here bud?
What? I'm assuming your upbringing is different from the culture you're a part of now. You are in a culture that is accepting of non-heteronormative things and you don't even realize it. Please examine what this means to you and why you hold the beliefs that you hold, and try to understand why they're important to you. Also, check to see if they're benificial or better left in the past. Your culture is a choice. It's not some intrinsic unchanging thing.
Your kids will put you in a home and you'll deserve it.
gosh if only there were a name for this phenomenon
Imagine thinking that forcing religion and heterosexual norms on a child will change their mind. Your religion does not dictate mine or my kids lives or lifestyles and don’t want that religious indoctrination forced on to us.
Some people (Ally’s, LGBTQIA+, Genderqueer individuals, etc…) just don’t accept that as an acceptable norm in their culture and don’t want their children to think it’s an acceptable lifestyle. As someone who has a plethora of religious friends and acquaintances and comes from one of those liberal cultures I simply mean that I respect them and their rights but I also want to raise my children to grow up being their authentic selfs and living their life.
"grow up being their authentic selfs"? so what age would you introduce them to homosexuality and gender theory? would you rather have them be thought that by their school or are you going to teach them that they can just choose their gender or sexuality?
The same age we introduce children to heterosexuality and gender theory. If the information taught is objectively truthful and backed up by scientific discovery then it makes no difference where it's learned because it will be factual.
Child abuse. Your job as a parent is to lead, not just go along with whatever they want or what the woke movement of the month is.
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At what age is it OK to let your kid read a book with a straight couple? At that age is the same age I'd teach for other option to be fine. There's nothing scary about homosexuality just as there isn't for heterosexuality. If them learning about heterosexual relationships doesn't hurt them, learning about homosexual relationships won't hurt them either.
Go say this to a person in real life and see what reaction you get. You're absolutely psychotic my friend.
We are people from real life, try leaving your troglodyte cave.
Nah, nobody's got rights to treat others like shit for who they were born as.
It ain't right when Salafist muslims do it, it ain't right when black africans get told to do it by american evangelical missionaries, and it ain't right when you try to play cover for it by painting it as "just culture."
That behaviour is disgusting barbaric and undeserving of the respect afforded to true cultural differences like language and dress and (non harmful) traditions.