At least 16 people are dead in multiple shootings in Lewiston, Maine Wednesday night, according to multiple law enforcement sources. Follow here for the latest.
This dude is straight up rolling in blasting from the photos I've seen. Even if you had a gun on you, you wouldn't have the time to aim before he's mowing you down.
They really don't…95% of all gun homicide are done with handguns. No one bats an eye at those because 85% of them are done in drug or gang violence…only time anyone starts talking gun control is when something like this happens.
Let's see…in 2021, depending on who you ask, between 103 people (FBI) and 700 people (Gun Violence Archive) died in mass shootings. This is as compared to 48,830 deaths from firearms total. So ~1.5%.
As for handguns:
"In 2020, the most recent year for which the FBI has published data, handguns were involved in 59% of the 13,620 U.S. gun murders and non-negligent manslaughters for which data is available. Rifles – the category that includes guns sometimes referred to as “assault weapons” – were involved in 3% of firearm murders. Shotguns were involved in 1%."
So above poster was a bit low for purely murders. However, mix in the fact that about 54% of gun deaths are suicides (overwhelming handguns), and the total percentage of gun deaths attributable to handguns is about 80%.
You plan on taking them? Tell me exactly what makes you think those who have them illegally will turn them in and what makes you think LEOs will be willing to go door to door taking guns?
Domestic abuse is also in that list but it's not as high as gang and drug violence…also go fuck yourself you race baiting shit. Armed minorities are harder to oppress and I'm not the white picket fence urbanized white kid who wants to disarm minorities.
Yes it would be good to get single payer healthcare and it would be good to rebuild our mental healthcare in the USA. It would be good to end the drug war, and end for profit prisons. It would be good to pay teachers more and to focus more money on our inner city schools instead of white suburban schools.
Got any other silly comments?
PS, you're not arguing with a white christian republican…
You plan on taking them? Tell me exactly what makes you think those who have them illegally will turn them in and what makes you think LEOs will be willing to go door to door taking guns?
I'm fine with "responsible gun owners" becoming "illegal gun owners". If they're caught with illegal firearms, they get charged with possession just like anybody else.
They will have had their chance to comply with democratically decided gun laws and if they can't prove they are able to securely store and responsibly handle, fuck em.
I'm also fine with firing police who selectively uphold the law based on their own shitty personal views, just as I'm fine with taking away the excuses they use to execute people on the spot.
Domestic abuse is also in that list but it's not as high as gang and drug violence…also go fuck yourself you race baiting shit.
In 2007, 14% of homicides were domestic violence related.
In 2020, 9.7% of homicides were gang related.
So what a surprise, you're just pushing right-wing "it's those urban kids and their gangs" pro-gun talking points for Fox News hairpieces.
Armed minorities are harder to oppress and I'm not the white picket fence urbanized white kid who wants to disarm minorities.
Are they? Because they're looking pretty fucking oppressed to me.
Police in America routinely execute black people on the street and in their homes. If those victims were in 50ft of a gun, they don't do even a token investigation.
Black men are incarcerated at a much higher rate and in a country where incarceration is already far beyond countries of comparable wealth. Once there, they're used as slave labor for multi-million dollar companies.
And of course, every few months a far-right extremist takes their legal gun and goes hunting minorities, targeting places like majority black churches or gay clubs, killing as many of them as they possibly can before the police arrive with their hamburger.
By all means, share with us exactly when we're supposed to start firing on police and how you expect that to lead to systemic reform and not just minorities being killed with a renewed vigor.
You can't though can you? Because "armed minorities are harder to oppress" isn't actually wisdom. It's not based on anything at all.
It's a marketing slogan invented by the gun lobby and taught to suckers with no purpose other than increasing gun sales beyond the usual "middle aged white conservative" demographic, in order to funnel more blood money into their offshore accounts.
Yes it would be good to get single payer healthcare and it would be good to rebuild our mental healthcare in the USA. It would be good to end the drug war, and end for profit prisons. It would be good to pay teachers more and to focus more money on our inner city schools instead of white suburban schools.
Is this actually related to anything in this conversation or are you just trying reassure everybody you're definitely a progressive because leftists like cool guns too, get your cool gun now, AR-15s on sale now just $499, armed minorities are harder to oppress, better to have one and not need it, better still to have two or three and not need them, save $200 when you purchase two or more guns.
Got any other silly comments?
Got any more marketing slogans you want to get off your chest? Maybe you could lie about some more statistics?
PS, you're not arguing with a white christian republican…
Sure I am. Whatever color your skin may be, inside that skull are the exact thoughts of a white christian republican – and that's not something you can lie about.
They're saying three locations so far, but I'm only seeing details for two: Schemengees Bar and Grille (restaurant) and Sparetime Recreation (bowling alley).
Scrolling through different news channels, the only update I've heard in the last 45 minutes is the count update from 16 to 22.
They've released an images of the shooter and of his vehicle, a Subaru Outback (kinda silver/white).
Lewiston public information officer Derrick St. Laurent told the Sun Journal at about 8:15 p.m. that another shooting had been reported at the Walmart Distribution Center on Alfred A Plourde Parkway.
I work in a 911 dispatch center, we had a shooting at a bowling alley a few years ago, it was probably one of the craziest, most stressful incidents we've had since I've been working there. So that hits a little close to home for me.
The incident we had wasn't a mass shooting, just some assholes who shouldn't have had guns got into a fight and started blasting.
It was right after shift change, we had pretty much all just sat down and logged in, usually at that time of day there's not too much really going on, and then suddenly everyone in the room's phone went off at once and everything became chaos for the next hour or so.
The shooting was over by the time we got the first call, the shooter was probably even long-gone, out the door in a car speeding away.
My first caller was just hysterically screaming, I couldn't really get any useful information from them, but from what I could hear in the background it sounded like they were close to the victims, maybe even had been part of their group.
We had about 3 or 4 wildly different descriptions of the suspect. Was it one person or was it three? We're they old or young? Black or white? We're they wearing trench coats, hoodies, military style jackets?
We had a caller who had grabbed some kids and pulled them into a utility closet to hide.
We had calls coming in for the rest of the night and even the next day from people who were there and fled as soon as it started.
There’s always confusion with these things. Where? How many shooters? How many dead? It’ll take a while for completely accurate info to come out. There will be a news conference tomorrow, I’m sure.
There’s always confusion with these things. Where? How many shooters? How many dead? It’ll take a while for completely accurate info to come out
And that's one of my biggest frustrations with the people who immediately demand full information, and insist there must be some conspiracy going on when they don't get it, or when the complete information eventually comes out that isn't an exact match for the initial reports.
People need to chill the fuck out when these things are still developing.
Fuck me man. 22 dead now.
Where are all those good guys with guns!
Dead, because they're a priority target.
Open carry is for inch-dick assholes.
This dude is straight up rolling in blasting from the photos I've seen. Even if you had a gun on you, you wouldn't have the time to aim before he's mowing you down.
yes, that's the point
But “aR StYle wEapONs doN’t MAke A diFfeRenCe”
They really don't…95% of all gun homicide are done with handguns. No one bats an eye at those because 85% of them are done in drug or gang violence…only time anyone starts talking gun control is when something like this happens.
If an AR style didn't provide an advantage then the military wouldn't select designs like it.
Militaries need to consider more than combat effectiveness for servive weapons: namely low cost and availability, which AR patterns have in spades.
Good suggestion! We should ban all semi-automatic guns, long and short.
You forgot "domestic abuse", but I guess that was a bit too white sounding for your list.
Also, you're going to link us to the source of these figures right?
So every couple of months then. What an odd coincidence that it lines up with the pro-guns concern about mental healthcare?
You can google it, you know. source 1
Let's see…in 2021, depending on who you ask, between 103 people (FBI) and 700 people (Gun Violence Archive) died in mass shootings. This is as compared to 48,830 deaths from firearms total. So ~1.5%.
As for handguns: "In 2020, the most recent year for which the FBI has published data, handguns were involved in 59% of the 13,620 U.S. gun murders and non-negligent manslaughters for which data is available. Rifles – the category that includes guns sometimes referred to as “assault weapons” – were involved in 3% of firearm murders. Shotguns were involved in 1%."
So above poster was a bit low for purely murders. However, mix in the fact that about 54% of gun deaths are suicides (overwhelming handguns), and the total percentage of gun deaths attributable to handguns is about 80%.
I've already agreed to ban handguns too so don't feel obligated to post statistics that were next to the statistics I actually challenged.
You plan on taking them? Tell me exactly what makes you think those who have them illegally will turn them in and what makes you think LEOs will be willing to go door to door taking guns?
Domestic abuse is also in that list but it's not as high as gang and drug violence…also go fuck yourself you race baiting shit. Armed minorities are harder to oppress and I'm not the white picket fence urbanized white kid who wants to disarm minorities.
Yes it would be good to get single payer healthcare and it would be good to rebuild our mental healthcare in the USA. It would be good to end the drug war, and end for profit prisons. It would be good to pay teachers more and to focus more money on our inner city schools instead of white suburban schools.
Got any other silly comments?
PS, you're not arguing with a white christian republican…
I'm fine with "responsible gun owners" becoming "illegal gun owners". If they're caught with illegal firearms, they get charged with possession just like anybody else.
They will have had their chance to comply with democratically decided gun laws and if they can't prove they are able to securely store and responsibly handle, fuck em.
I'm also fine with firing police who selectively uphold the law based on their own shitty personal views, just as I'm fine with taking away the excuses they use to execute people on the spot.
In 2007, 14% of homicides were domestic violence related.
In 2020, 9.7% of homicides were gang related.
So what a surprise, you're just pushing right-wing "it's those urban kids and their gangs" pro-gun talking points for Fox News hairpieces.
Are they? Because they're looking pretty fucking oppressed to me.
Police in America routinely execute black people on the street and in their homes. If those victims were in 50ft of a gun, they don't do even a token investigation.
Black men are incarcerated at a much higher rate and in a country where incarceration is already far beyond countries of comparable wealth. Once there, they're used as slave labor for multi-million dollar companies.
And of course, every few months a far-right extremist takes their legal gun and goes hunting minorities, targeting places like majority black churches or gay clubs, killing as many of them as they possibly can before the police arrive with their hamburger.
By all means, share with us exactly when we're supposed to start firing on police and how you expect that to lead to systemic reform and not just minorities being killed with a renewed vigor.
You can't though can you? Because "armed minorities are harder to oppress" isn't actually wisdom. It's not based on anything at all.
It's a marketing slogan invented by the gun lobby and taught to suckers with no purpose other than increasing gun sales beyond the usual "middle aged white conservative" demographic, in order to funnel more blood money into their offshore accounts.
Is this actually related to anything in this conversation or are you just trying reassure everybody you're definitely a progressive because leftists like cool guns too, get your cool gun now, AR-15s on sale now just $499, armed minorities are harder to oppress, better to have one and not need it, better still to have two or three and not need them, save $200 when you purchase two or more guns.
Got any more marketing slogans you want to get off your chest? Maybe you could lie about some more statistics?
Sure I am. Whatever color your skin may be, inside that skull are the exact thoughts of a white christian republican – and that's not something you can lie about.
What percentage of mass casualty incidents are carried out with a handgun?
The majority of them. As the majority that are classified as mass casualties are from gang and drug violence
Where are you seeing these photos?
I guess this wasn't one of the 3% of shootings they intervene in, just another of the 99% they enthusiastically enable.
They're saying three locations so far, but I'm only seeing details for two: Schemengees Bar and Grille (restaurant) and Sparetime Recreation (bowling alley).
Scrolling through different news channels, the only update I've heard in the last 45 minutes is the count update from 16 to 22.
They've released an images of the shooter and of his vehicle, a Subaru Outback (kinda silver/white).
https://www.sunjournal.com/2023/10/25/multiple-victims-reported-following-shootings-in-lewiston/
I work in a 911 dispatch center, we had a shooting at a bowling alley a few years ago, it was probably one of the craziest, most stressful incidents we've had since I've been working there. So that hits a little close to home for me.
The incident we had wasn't a mass shooting, just some assholes who shouldn't have had guns got into a fight and started blasting.
It was right after shift change, we had pretty much all just sat down and logged in, usually at that time of day there's not too much really going on, and then suddenly everyone in the room's phone went off at once and everything became chaos for the next hour or so.
The shooting was over by the time we got the first call, the shooter was probably even long-gone, out the door in a car speeding away.
My first caller was just hysterically screaming, I couldn't really get any useful information from them, but from what I could hear in the background it sounded like they were close to the victims, maybe even had been part of their group.
We had about 3 or 4 wildly different descriptions of the suspect. Was it one person or was it three? We're they old or young? Black or white? We're they wearing trench coats, hoodies, military style jackets?
We had a caller who had grabbed some kids and pulled them into a utility closet to hide.
We had calls coming in for the rest of the night and even the next day from people who were there and fled as soon as it started.
Just absolute chaos.
Third location is allegedly a Walmart distribution center
There’s always confusion with these things. Where? How many shooters? How many dead? It’ll take a while for completely accurate info to come out. There will be a news conference tomorrow, I’m sure.
And that's one of my biggest frustrations with the people who immediately demand full information, and insist there must be some conspiracy going on when they don't get it, or when the complete information eventually comes out that isn't an exact match for the initial reports.
People need to chill the fuck out when these things are still developing.
Photo I saw was from the bowling alley. Jesus
Dude looks like Jake Gyllenhall, or is it just me?
They just confirmed 18 during the live conference