The way I see it, all of us who migrated here won. Enshitification is eventually going to kill reddit, the only question is when. I’ll grab some popcorn when it happens, but for now won’t worry about it and just enjoy my time here on Lemmy.
It won’t die. It will just hollow out. Same as Digg. Same as Facebook, Twitter, and every other shitty part of the internet. The power users are what make the internet the magical place it is. Without those people, the sites will still work… but they won’t be as great as they were before their respective turning points. It’s a cycle it seems.
It might not even kill it. Facebook is still kicking, after all, for all its enshittification. It’s just… idk, some of us were freed to move on to a more satisfying experience. That’s all. Life continues here, life continues there
facebook’s on the decline, meta’s betting on instagram since that’s what the kids use. facebook is for boomers to looking at family vacation photos and nazi radicalising and is a legacy service at this point.
do you know what a ‘boomer’ is? it’s slang for ‘baby boomer’ and it’s a specific age range of people born at specific times. plenty of people younger than that are on FB every day. just saying, if you didn’t know what ‘boomer’ was, it doesn’t just mean ‘old person’.
Honestly I’m happy with a slow death than a big freaking one. A humongous explosion is not always a good thing lol.
That‘s right. Without the protests, i probably would nit have been aware of the fediverse existence
Enshittification will one day kill Lemmy. Somehow.
And we’ll be elsewhere.
Lemmy is open-source software. If the project root starts doing something stupid or gets abandoned, it can just be forked by someone else and it will live on.
Yeah, I agree with this suspiciously named man. Whether it happens sooner or later, Reddit’s death is on the horizon, as it will keep making the wrong choices and so steadily lose those communities and content that built it in the first place.
Reddit won’t actually die, it’ll just be a hollow shell of what it once was.
To illustrate my point, Digg still exists.
The reddit protest caused thousands of power users and some of the best content creators to leave the site.
The reddit protest caused lemmy to grow exponentially for weeks on end.
The reddit protest caused well known third party app developers to leave reddit and retool for lemmy.
Next time reddit fucks up, and it will, when everyone is over there circlejerking about “well are there any good reddit alternatives?”
The answer will be “there is now, and it’s called lemmy.” And lemmy will again grow exponentially.
Hardly seems like a win, long term. Sure, reddit beat the remaining mod hold outs. They didn’t beat us.
At the beginning I was going to Reddit on and off. Currently, I just stick to Lemmy. Also “Sync for Lemmy” made me incredibly happy.
But in the short term, spaz will have made a killing by selling the company. And in the long term, the investors will be the ones holding the losses as the site haemorrhage users.
it’s fine. they can just come here
Yes they did win.
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Huh. Funny you should say that. I keep saying I like the Lemmy culture better and don’t want it to be like Reddit.
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Reddit was always going to win that battle. But the fact that Lemmy now has a much larger user base (largely populated by many reddit OGs) is telling. At the very least, the online landscape changed. I for one am happy to be on a new platform away from the old corporate overlords.
Yeah, I don’t mind that the majority stays on Reddit. I miss the old, tighter communities and conversations. When you couldn’t predict the top 2-3 top level comments because it’s not all jokes/memes, all the time.
Lemmy is still young, just needs some time and work to get it’s shit together and then it’ll be great! Honestly, I hope Reddit stays popular so that most people stay there. As long as Lemmy doesn’t turn into another escape for CP/Nazi’s/random shit groups.
Honestly, I hope Reddit stays popular so that most people stay there. As long as Lemmy doesn’t turn into another escape for CP/Nazi’s/random shit groups.
I wouldn’t be surprised at all if various extremist groups end up setting up their own lemmy instances. The whole point of the decentralisation is you can’t stop them from doing that. I doubt the big instance will connect with those instances though. We might end up with a sort of alternate mini-fediverse for various groups that don’t get accepted into the main one.
This is also your solution if main instances start getting too popular and you don’t like them anymore. Set up your own instance and disconnect from the rest. The main selling point of lemmy is you always keep some control over the platform.
Yeah the fediverse feels more of a game that runs only on personal servers you join and less of a central server game that everyone joins. Lemmy is more counter strike and Reddit is more world of Warcraft
As long as Lemmy doesn’t turn into another escape for CP/Nazi’s/random shit groups.
That’s quite the irony since there are Lemmy communities that originate from subreddits that actually got banned on Reddit, for being too toxic even by Reddit mod’s standards.
Like that recent drama about lemmy.world defederating from a hardcore communist instance.
Dead right, 100% agreed.
In late June early July Reddit was awash with people predicting a digg like doom for reddit. I got sick of commenting that 90% of reddit users wouldn’t understand what was happening and 99% wouldn’t care. Reddit was always going to “win” in that they would carry on, more profitable than before.
I don’t know or care whether the reddit “experience” has diminished in either the short or the long term. I expect it has in some way, but it’s more like a continuation of a long-standing trajectory.
In any case, as you say, the landscape has changed. Back in April lemmy was more or less non-viable to scratch that thread based news-aggregator itch. That’s no longer the case.
Nah, I won. We won. We found better platforms like Lemmy, Mastodon, and KBin.
I’m not going back to reddit, there’s simply no need.
Exactly. Reddit can suck it.
Sadly, I still have to go back to Reddit since it’s the only way to get information for certain niche communities
Why haven’t you created those communities here and go post over there that they exist outside Reddit?
Just because you create a niche community in Lemmy, doesn’t mean you’ll get enough people to help answer your questions. It’s hard to get more people into a niche community. And don’t forget that most people online are lurkers. Even if a place looks like they have a lot of subscribers, most of them don’t actually post/comment.
Oh i know, most of the subs i modded were tiny. But if you want to move why mot see if others want to join?
As the saying goes, “a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.”
How else will those communities thrive off reddit if users like you don’t start or participate in them elsewhere?
I never said that you shouldn’t participate in new communities in Lemmy.
- The person said, “I still have to go back to Reddit since it’s the only way to get information for certain niche communities”
- A person replied saying why not just make the community here? (Though community could have already been made, but small or inactive)
- If you’re looking for an answer for something right now, you’ll do better asking somewhere more active. Though of course you can / should ask in both places.
Extreme example? Acquaintance asked a question in !gayfisting@lemmynsfw.com and got no answers. Will more likely get more answers in /r/Gayfisting because it has 37K members. That is a niche community.
Been thinking of doing that, but haven’t because:
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I don’t think I’m active enough to create a community nor do I know how to manage it properly and allow it to grow. And,
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Usually I only go on Reddit for information I need right away or as soon as possible. So, Reddit is still more convenient than creating a new community for that topic.
But who knows. Maybe one day I’ll get around to making community.
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Probably not a big deal, as long as you don’t log in
The whole API fiasco caused me to delete my Reddit account, after being in the site since 2013 :)
I haven’t really been back since my 3rd party of app shutdown. It wasn’t some big moral protest on my part. I just have no easy access to a good app for it now.
I think I’ve skimmed the F1 subreddit like twice since the protests began. I’m done with Reddit. Not just because of RIF but on desktop too. Lemmy gets better every day as well
Haven’t been back since sync left. Now that I just got sync beta for lemmy, I’m happy again.
Such a small amount of users on Reddit submit links or comment. The thing that they “won” was splitting a portion of their community of power users who maintain and create the content on their site from the masses who simply consume and doom scroll the main page. I am happy with the type of discussion that is happening on Lemmy, I don’t need a post to have 7000 upvotes or a comment to have 1500 votes and a shit load of coins attached to it to make it valuable or interesting.
I was a 100% lurker there and they lost me too. I had no impact on their content but they still lost another person when my 3rd party app stopped working
Yeah exactly like look at this post with 300+ comments on lemmy, once you get past a threshold it’s just more noise.
I’m a former 140k karma reddit poster and haven’t posted since the event. Will never post there again but will post here for sure.
Reddit might have won, but i definitely did too. It made me finally leave Reddit and got me here. And who knows, perhaps one day Reddit will drown in its enshittification enough for it to vanish into nothing but the great history of the internet. Then, at last, we will still be here.
The thing I’ll still hop over to reddit for are the smaller niche communities for certain hobbies or even specific products. That’s one thing the insane userbase numbers on reddit is good for, these very small niche interests are able to leech off that. In a few of those cases the subs have had Discord servers for a while, which I actually use more than the subreddits even before they made the API changes.
I think over time the reddit experience, for people who actually want to comment and participate, will continue to become more shitty.
I believe if there’s one community that will take forever (if at all) to move to the fediverse, it’s the manga/anime community.
Subs like r/anime and r/OshiNoKo are as active as ever - especially during r/Place, pay attention and you’ll see a lot of anime mascots in the canvas back when it was around. Anime/mangas also tend to attract the younger crowd which tend not to care about the protest anyways, from what I’ve seen.
I agreee wholeheartedly. And same, I am here now.
Not really sure what Gizmodo thinks that Reddit “won”. They damaged their reputation, degraded the quality of their site, popularized competition, and embittered a significant portion of their volunteer labor force.
They won in the fact they passed their shitty policy and killed off third party apps with relatively minimal resistance.
But you’re right in that this was always going to damage Reddit in the long run.
Relay for Reddit is still going strong, the dev spent a lot of time doing API call measurements and optimizations the past few months. He’s switching to a subscription model soon though.
And yet, reddit is still being used with pretty much identical traffic to before all of this (the “exodus” is essentially a rounding error when you compare reddit traffic variation to other platforms’ traffic variation, a statistical variation that can be ignored), moderators are still moderating, and this entire debacle will be almost entirely forgotten in a few months. Except now they don’t have competing phone clients, they can shove their nft crap and ads down redditors’ throats, and the IPO won’t be affected by this at this rate.
I thought it would be different. I thought there was no way the majority of reddit would find it so hard to leave. It’s harder to leave other platforms when they prioritize you connecting with your own peers, but reddit? A news aggregator with comments? People simply didn’t care enough to leave.
How’s it identical? I know I’m not alone based on what I see here in that I haven’t been there since the API shit down. Fuck 'em
Lemmy has been an amazing replacement since this bullshit and now the good apps are coming over. You lose, Reddit.
Welcome to the other digg effect.
If reddit won, then why am I here?
Reddit doesn’t want you and me. They want zombie-scrolling. They want to be TikTok when the TikTok ban comes.
It’s because you won too. However, the people who still remain on Reddit are the ones who truly lost. Their UX got sacrificed so that Huffman could get some more money.
Major social media platforms don’t just explode and go extinct, they slowly slip into irrelevancy.
Digg still exists, no-one cares. Tumblr still exists, no-one cares. Myspace still exists, no-one cares. The list goes on and on.
Exactly. I no longer visit Reddit since the incident. I know I’m one person but there are others just like me. Fuck Reddit. I mean digg. Or do I mean Reddit? Ceo is a loser.
The question is, what percentage of the 90:9:1 ratio they lose?
The 90% being those who just use it The 9% being those who engage and comment The 1% being the content creators.
Reddit would seem to have lost a lot of the 1% and a fair chunk of the 9%.
The 90% will take at least a year to understand that there is not any new engaging content being created.
there are other just like me.
I am right here, and there are many more. I quit reddit about a week before the blackout. I used to be a power user, I’m talking more than 3 hours a day easily. I made a few post, but most of my engagement was from comments. I quit cold turkey, actively avoiding reddit result from google searches.
Fast forward to today, and I still don’t use it out of spite. I still avoid it if I can but if there are search results from Google that have answers to my specific problem on reddit, I will read the comments with ad-block on and move on to another website if the reddit link did not provide a solution.
I respect your spite and dedication.
The thing is, the website you listed have direct alternatives. Right now with the current format Reddit is the only big player so moving away from it will be very hard. Tumblr user migrated to Twitter, and we haven’t seen the same thing happened to Lemmy at that scale yet.
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yeah I still care very much about Tumblr >:(
sure it’s not constantly in the tech news cycle but that also a reason why I love it. you get to enjoy a place with its own subculture and non of the “normie drama” if that makes sense
Musk has killed Twitter/X, Zuckerberg has killed Insta…waiting for it to happen to Facebook.
IMO, Reddit kept the people who didn’t care about third party apps or the things that made Reddit Reddit years ago, before it turned into generic social media. Everyone else left. And that’s not really a victory.
The fact that capitalism looks at it like winning against a customer is just gross.
Reddit kept the people who didn’t care about third party apps
Which is important to note is like 90%+ of users, most of whom never participate and just consume content.
I felt many of the protesters had no clue how unpopular (by numbers) 3rd party clients were. The reason they seemed so prevalent in discussions is because reddit users who use 3rd party clients are power users who actually participate versus everyone else who just browses. These protests showed the ugly reality that they were always a small vocal minority.
I left reddit and edited all my comments/posts on principle, but I was never under the illusion that I was part of the majority or that the protests would lead to something.
Of course I hope Lemmy got some nice visibility and that something positive comes out of it, but I’m not clinging onto a pipe dream.
“the things that made Reddit Reddit years ago, before it turned into generic social media”
Bingo. From a financial standpoint reddit doesn’t care about how it used to be. Being generic social media is worth more money to them
Reddit exists to make money, so they definitely won
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I want to thank Spez for screwing up his platform. Reddit became to toxic for me a couple years ago so I took a break. Last summer Zuckerberg gave me a 30 day ban so instead of using a nerfed account I just went back to Reddit instead. So when the protest happened I had no issues with leaving the site.
Lemmy is fire, I’m enjoying this platform much more, every day it gets better.
Leaving/left Facebook for Mastodon back a couple of years ago when the whistle blower revealed their dialing of the “outrage algorithm” and the true width and depth of data capture. This was when (and why) they rebranded to Meta. I’ve only gotten a few of my FB folks to give Fedi a try, but I’m effing loving it. Lemmy and Mastodon are growing and I am here for it. This is what social media should be and how it should work. I’ve found so many awesome people through Mastodon I would have never found on FB or Twitter. The cool things I’ve seen on Lemmy I probably would have never seen on Reddit. I just feel more connected on here than when I was jumping from corporate walled garden to corporate walled garden.
I tried mastodon before I found Lemmy, then I figured out it was a toss twitter, I have no interest in twitter so I’m done with that.
Most things don’t have to be for most everyone… welcome to the Fediverse!
Reddit became too toxic for me around 2014. That’s when they started replacing default subs with shit like r/sports, trying to court the most general audience possible, then forcing everyone to exist in the same space and expecting it to go well.
Same thing happened with Digg. Digg went from tech-news to general-news around 2007… 2008 we hit a US election year and the site became a cesspool. The Diggnation Podcast was hosted by the site’s founders, they had to talk about the top 10 digg posts each week… they repeatedly had to feign interest in UFO and Ron Paul stories at that point.
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Yeah, I don’t even think about Reddit anymore, who cares. If people want to waste their time on that shit site fine with me.
Did Spez write this article? Reddit didn’t win. Trying to go back there has resulted in literally no answers for anything. It’s just shills and that’s it. I couldn’t get answers to things anymore on some pretty major subreddits. So, glad I’m staying with Lemmy.
Did you read the article though? The title is more of a dark statement on how reddit will always have the final word.
I mean, if they say so…
Meanwhile, I’m just going to have good time here on Lemmy.
And honestly I prefer the lemmy experience which has soo much less toxicity.
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Bullshit. This is a biased article.
As a other person commented, I won. No need for reddit at this point.
And user name checks out.
Their goal wasn’t to win you over. It was to create a loyal user base of ad consumers and they succeeded at that
I also succeeded at finding a platform to consume content that isn’t ad riddled. Yet.
The discussions and posts on subreddits I frequented are lower quality. Seems like popular has a completely different mix compared before protests. I’ve seen similar happen elsewhere, it will be a slow slide into irrelevance unless something changes.
With you.
Yeah. I was active on reddit for over ten years but I said I’d quit when they did the API thing, so I did. Gotta stick by what you say you’ll do. I missed it at first but then I read a lot more books and was fine. Now sync lemmy has arrived and I’m gonna see how it goes here.
Shame about reddit but it’s become an example of the enshittification that seems to be the recent trend. So fuck it.
I really like the term “enshittification.” It has a lot of applications these days.
with everyone scrambling to get profitable with interest rates finally above 0 expect more desperate and dumb decisions from tech companies, to our benefit in the end
