• TinyPizza
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    13310 months ago

    From the article

    Katyal is an MSNBC mainstay who came to prominence as a liberal defender of Republican president Donald Trump’s Supreme Court nominees, all of whom will now rule on the case. In recent years, Katyal has helped Nestlé defend itself in a child slavery case before the Supreme Court and represented Johnson & Johnson in its bid to use bankruptcy to block lawsuits from cancer victims.

    Modern society needs a way to deal with people who are cartoonishly evil. Maybe we should start trying to drop anvils on them or something…

  • Flying Squid
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    6810 months ago

    Just switch parties if you're going to try to pull this bullshit. Bad enough that it happens, but you also have to tie it to the Democrats?

    • @McJonalds@lemmy.world
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      3710 months ago

      reject the 2 party system. none of them will ever represent a reasonable fan of political views for the majority of people

      • Flying Squid
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        4810 months ago

        Maybe sometime, but I don't want Trump to be president, so I don't think I'll be doing that next year.

        • @orclev@lemmy.world
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          5010 months ago

          For the billionth time, that's why we need to get rid of first past the post voting. Its been mathematically proven that FPTP always devolves to two primary parties as it's the most stable configuration. Literally any proportional voting system is better. The front runner is usually ranked choice, but there are a lot of options that all have advantages and disadvantage, so we need to just pick one and use it. We can always use a different one down the line, but the sooner FPTP dies the sooner we can start to develop a healthy selection of political parties.

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              I don't honestly know. Both of the primary parties are going to fight it tooth and nail because it would weaken them drastically and the last thing they want is more competition for votes. I think the only thing we can realistically do is keep spreading the message until the majority of the population is behind the idea just like the ground swell that's working to get marijuana legalized. The problem of course, is that it's not really an exciting thing to get people behind, it's a pretty dry technical issue. So in the meantime, I guess just keep educating people, and keep putting pressure on elected officials to push for it.

              Edit: Thinking about it more depending on how things go with the GOP there might be an opportunity there. If E.G. Trump or one of the other extremists manages to fracture the GOP into two competing conservative factions that neither have enough votes to win with we might be able to get conservative voters and politicians to actually back proportional voting as a pure survival tactic. At that point we'd only need to get a small subset of progressive politicians/voters to support it as well.

            • @Fedizen@lemmy.world
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              I would start by passing initiatives at the state level. There's no reason state legislatures gain anything from having two districting schemes for state elected offices. You could easily reform state representative districts into a single statewide district with party list voting or similar. This would tear a gaping hole in the two party system that could ripple up to higher levels of reforms.

            • TinyPizza
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              -210 months ago

              Digital Direct Democracy. You need to win a constitutional ballot initiative in one of the states that has that mechanism and find a way for courts in that state to approve the ballot language. The hiccup is the discrepancy of representatives vs delegates. You need to find a way to make it linguistically work under the federal constitutional framework, while removing the ability for politicians to vote against the will of the people. It would nuke the party system from the inside and could potentially spread to a dozen or so states that have the same system of constitutional ballot initiatives. If you can do it in enough large states it will begin to undermine the power monopoly that's put us into gridlock. It's also likely the least corruptible system possible and has the potential to create a streamlined and nimble government that's adapted to react faster in an uncertain future. It heavily relies on technology though, so creating robust redundancies will be challenging.

            • Its never gonna happen before the next election, and the next election will always be the most important, so unless you start voting for people who support it, the cycle will continue.

                • Best bet is to check local elections and hope the trend moves upwards. Something tells me dems are more likely to support it, but many only will if they're not winning enough elections. If people see local elections being swayed and/or ranked choice or instant runoff voting being a wedge issues, that's about the best I can imagine actually happening.

          • Flying Squid
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            910 months ago

            If you don't think Biden's presidency, as lacking as it is, isn't miles better than Trump's, I don't know what to tell you. Personally, I don't want Ukraine to be handed to Russia on a silver platter.

      • darq
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        1510 months ago

        Until the US replaces the first-past-the-post voting system, you cannot reject the two-party system.

      • @weedazz@lemmy.world
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        -310 months ago

        Lol as if the average American could ever comprehend anything other than "my tribe" vs "not my tribe"

    • @A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world
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      10 months ago

      Switch parties? Why?

      That would undermine the very reason a republican infiltrated the democrat party to begin with… Cant screw up the democrat party if hes not in it, doing what hes supposed to do as an agent of the gop.

    • @TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world
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      410 months ago

      💯 this. So many voters are in a position if any D will do, and that's how and where we get these scumbag turncoats.

      Send them packing.

  • The Snark Urge
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    Let them outlaw every way of making things fairer peacefully.

    I am fine with them choosing that ending.

  • spaceghoti
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    1410 months ago

    So are people really focusing on a fringe minority within the party and claiming that they somehow represent the entire party? Have other Democrats been given a chance to respond to this? Are they even aware that it's happening?

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        -210 months ago

        Maybe. Maybe they'll disavow their actions. Maybe their efforts to "scold them" are all anyone can really do since this is a lawsuit?

        Maybe, just maybe, what these assholes are doing doesn't actually represent the Democratic Party?

        Nah, I'm sure that's just too much nuance to be acceptable.

    • Poggervania
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      010 months ago

      This is a bunch of greedy politicians helping out their donors corporate sponsors. You’ll probably have some Dems be like “oh noooo that’s bad”, but they ultimately do not give a shit because they still take money from corporate interests and anything that will actually affect the rich is a Very Bad Thing ™.

      This is practically class warfare.