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Do you vote for Republicans?

You should not stand for those keeping you away from genuine relief and contentness

You are right. I will not stand for that. Which is exactly why I I ignore people like you. Because YOU are the one trying to keep trans people from the relief and contentment that transition is known to bring.

The relevant facts of the matter are:

• A treatment exists.
• The treatment works.
• The treatment is safe.

The only reason you are arguing is because you personally don’t like the treatment.

And your opinion on other people’s healthcare is irrelevant, and something you should keep to yourself.

Because they have tried everything else, it didn’t work. We’ve done all the things you are asking. We have tried every therapy you can imagine. It’s not effective.

You are working on the assumption that there is some other treatment that works that we are just ignoring. What exactly do you think it is?

The truth is that transition works, it alleviates distress, and it’s a very simple and safe treatment option.

okay, I acknowledge that maybe it’s not prohibitively expensive for the end user.

No.

Acknowledge that you were parroting a ridiculous conspiracy theory.

There is not enough money in this to justify what you are suggesting.

You don’t think the development of new products to sell you also makes money for other companies in the chain?

What new products?!

It’s testosterone and estrogens, that’s it.

They have to develop the product, ways to harvest or synthesize the chemicals in it, deliver it, test it, and refine and iterate upon it.

Every drug and procedure trans people take was developed for cisgender people first.

There are basically zero new, trans-specific products.

I cannot say this strongly enough: what you are saying is a ridiculous conspiracy theory that has zero basis in reality.

we should be approaching the whole issue in a way that helps people realize that they don’t have to change to be themselves.

That is literally the first thing the majority of transgender people try. Usually for years if not decades, before they finally accept who they are and transition.

No no, don’t move the goalposts.

You made a claim of conspiracy, that people are being lead to transition because the treatments “rake in ridiculous amounts of money and would bring in more money than just fixing their real issues”.

That claim is complete nonsense, and you pulled it out of your arse.

Acknowledge that.

they’ve fooled everyone including you, and it’s all for money, because these “treatments” rake in ridiculous amounts of money

No they don’t.

Most HRT is less than $50 a month. And trans people make up 1% of the population. Surgery is expensive, but even fewer trans people get those, they tend to be one-offs, and are only performed by a few specialists.

In comparison, therapy costs $100 a week.

You think medical and research organisations in countries all around the world are all risking their reputations to obscure the truth on a highly scrutinised treatment, in order to… Make less money than if they suggested therapy? To take less than fifty bucks a month from one percent of the population?

sigh I don’t know why I bother speaking with TERFs.

There is harm being done to the entire class of women for the loss of the concept of sex as the source of female oppression. Sex matters and these distinctions are being removed in language.

Firstly, that has absolutely nothing to do with what I wrote or the chain of comments thus far. It’s just a completely non-sequitur accusation.

But secondly, this isn’t happening.

An intersectional understanding of oppression and privilege does not erase the oppression cisgender women face.

And the distinctions in language are absolutely not being removed. The words “transgender” and “cisgender” exist precisely to make discussing these issues in a clear and respectful manner possible. That’s exactly what those words are for.

I do not think that the current zeitgeist surrounding this issue has been resolved through rigorous science and the best attempts to do no harm: to everyone.

The problem is that in order to prevent the incredibly rare occurrence of a cisgender person mistakenly undergoing transition, you are advocating for policies that would force a far greater number of transgender people to undergo that same horror.

Any promotion of the concept of gender and gender roles in schools is a bad idea in my opinion.

Gender is a concept that exists. That kids will interact with throughout their lives. They deserve to be equipped with the information that helps them makes sense of that.

The “genderbread person” that pops up is one instance, and it’s discussion of gender includes gender roles: those are societal expectations of actions and characteristics.

It doesn’t include gender roles in any version that I have seen.

The closest I’ve seen it get to gender roles is “gender expression”, which it touches on to explicitly separate the concept of gendered expression, from gender identity and biological sex.

In other words, it does the exact opposite of the thing you fear that it does. Its entire purpose is to state that the things you described about yourself earlier, such as being a tomboy, are separate from gender identity and biological sex. That being a tomboy, or having interests that are stereotypically gendered, DO NOT make you that gender.

Regarding gender roles, how do you respond to the current zeitgeist that asks if gender nonconforming women in literature and film are in fact trans? For example, Jo March in Little Women, and Mulan.

Those can be interesting conversations even if the answer at the end is “they’re still cisgender”. Cisgender people have been writing gender into stories for a long time, and a lot of those stories do end up have themes very relatable for trans people. Relooking at media through a queer lens is not harmful.

If I were a child now, I would potentially be pushed to be trans or NB.

No that’s not how that works. People aren’t “pushed” into becoming trans, let alone into a medical transition. Trans people, especially trans youths, usually have to fight tooth and nail to have their identities taken seriously, and even harder to access healthcare.

especially because at least certain segments of the trans argument seems to hinge on enforcing gender roles.

This is just such tired nonsense. I have never met a community more supportive of people breaking gender norms than transgender and non-binary people.

Bloody hell, with what crime? Convincing your comrades to not work?

Yeah honestly living there for a while, I came around a bit on doing things by paper.

It’s slower, certainly. But the Japanese are scary efficient at it, and there is a lot of infrastructure to support it.

And in the case where things go wrong or are confusing, at least you can take the forms and actually go and talk to someone, rather than staring at a computer screen that offers nothing.

Japan has been in the year 2000 for the past 50 years.

I would love to do something like this, except it’s way too goofy with the attached controllers.

Steamdeck in a tablet form factor would be perfect.

Except if you have enough money, it’s not even gambling anymore. The only way you’d lose is if everybody loses.

And that’s completely ignoring the fact that enough money lets you influence the rules of the game to tilt the odds in your favour.

International relations are politics. The marches are intended to place pressure on politicians of the country they are occurring in, to adopt certain international relations positions.

Firstly, SA never had the opportunity to arrest Putin. Secondly, it was Russia that would have considered the arrest a declaration of war.

This is a display of power, and dominance. It's a taunt.

To "clarify" by both denying the claim and doubling down on the claim at the same time. To state that people taking the words as a threat are snowflakes, while immediately threatening them again. And to do it twice over, reclarifying his original threat with another one.

He knows that makes no sense. But words don't have to make sense under fascists. Only power makes sense. He knows he can get away with it. That's the point.

The journalist should have drilled him on the spot.

A massacre, or a genocide, is more than just "one's" life ending. It is one's own life, the lives of one's loved ones, and the lives of one's people.