SpaceX employees have put their lives on the line to meet the aggressive pace of work that Chief Executive Elon Musk has demanded in pursuit of a Mars mission, according to a Reuters investigation.
The report documented over 600 previously undisclosed workplace injuries at SpaceX facilities since 2014, which Reuters said are only a part of the total number that is not publicly available.
Reuters examined injury logs and public records from the company’s six biggest facilities. SpaceX had not reported much of the injury data previously, in violation of regulatory standards. The investigation also included interviews with dozens of current and former SpaceX employees.
Among the injury data that Reuters gathered, over 100 workers experienced cuts or lacerations, 29 broke or dislocated bones, 17 had their hands and fingers crushed and nine had some form of serious head injury.
The unsafe workplace environment is a result of Musk’s view that SpaceX is on the front lines of saving humanity from a deteriorating planet, workers told Reuters.
It takes a special kind of dumb to think Mars would be easier to terraform than Earth.
the front lines of saving
humanityfrom a deteriorating planetThe front lines of saving himself and his rich friends from a deteriorating planet.
What?? You mean he's not planning on taking all of us?? Gasp! Splutter!
Tbh packing all the sociopaths on a rocket and blasting them to mars is the best chance of survival humanity has
Don't even need to spend too much effort making sure you hit the target.
"Don't worry, we double-checked, 321blastoff. Bye!"
I will ensure the rocket detonates on launch. Now if youll excuse me ive got to work on finding a ww2 recoilless rifle for… reasons.
Pinky swear!
I didn't say anything about landing gear
Is he calling the new colony "Rapture" by any chance?
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A while back, I was reading about one of these billionaires talking about how they'd fly people to Mars, then they could work off their flight and living expenses by working for the company there. I wish I could see the looks on their faces when they find out that company scrip doesn't buy flights back.
I'll take any bet that billionaire you're referring to was Musk himself.
If memory serves, it was Bezos, but it doesn't really matter who at the end of the day.
Also to give the rich an escape route when the ecosystem on this planet goes to shit.
I mean I guess you're alive, but living on Mars sounds terrible.
I don't typically wish undue agony on anyone, but if Musk and the other rich pieces of shit do end up escaping to Mars and leaving humanity to suffer trapped in the wasteland they created, then I genuinely hope that they experience the slowest, most torturous death that space has to offer.
You’re in luck, space has many of those, and they are very easy to achieve.
Well good news. Mars might literally be that.
It's bad. Like way worse than we talk about bad. Mars doesn't have an atmosphere or solar shielding so if you don't want to have a dozen cancers you will want to be be underground. Pretty deep underground. Cause youh will still have high cancer rates and going outside is not gonna let anyone live very long.
Buried under soil that is incredibly toxic, and very sharp and very likely to be an issue to work with.
But that's not the biggest issue cause all of that is engineering. No the issue is the low gravity. It's not that much lower than earth but it's still pretty low and low enough that damage to the body will occur. Muscle and bone degradation and micro clots. Heart will struggle to pump and small clots will build up and move around. They will start with blinding the Mars colonists and then eventually get large enough to cause strokes.
And like this is just the beginning of low gravity issues, potentially fatal pregnancy, never being able to leave the planet after even a few years, and maybe brain swelling.
It's not Earth. It's a planet that hates life. Anyone going there initially is there to die, which is why they so wanted to quickly send people to study to buy their way out of it, but they won't. If they go there, they go to their own hell, which is why they are back on bunkers in new Zealand.
If we can't save the Earth from becoming inhabitable, what chance do we have of making Mars habitable? I doubt we'll even see a self-sustaining colony off planet during our lifetimes. And it'll cost a fortune to supply a colony on Mars, so my guess is that we'll use a lunar colony or a space station to figure out the self-sustaining part before starting a permanent settlement on Mars.
And even then, it would still probably be the toughest kind of living humans have ever experienced.
the only realistic long-term lunar or martian base is underground. Luna has giant lava tubes we can use - on Mars it'll probably just be tunnels, or filled in asteroid craters. there's no way to prevent massive irradiation from cosmic rays or micrometeorite impacts otherwise. it's not as sexy as surface-level bases though so you'll never see it described as such.
not sure what the draw for lunar or martian bases is though, the minerals are far easier to get to in the asteroid belt.
save the Earth from becoming inhabitable,
*uninhabitable
We want to be able to inhabit the Earth
That's their illusion, and we should stop it. The worst possible outcome on earth is better than the best possible on Mars. Terraforming Venus is actually a much more likely thing. Musk is a fucking idiot.
This gives you a good picture of how a Mars colony under Musk would function. Aggressive objectives administratively set by an executive who has absolutely nothing constructive to contribute to those objectives, but holds not only the livelihoods, but literally the lives of his employees in his hands.
Except on Mars they won't be employees, but indentured servants. No rights, no regulations. You'll be lucky if you're given enough oxygen to survive.
Oxygen is not a right, but a luxury, it is not the responsibility of MuskMarsCorp to provide adults with oxygen.
Show a little self responsibility.Edit: I didn't think I needed an /s, but I guess I was wrong.
My statement was loosely based on something some Nestlé fuckface said about water.
Bold of the media to assume Space X is gonna get anywhere near Mars any time soon.
Didn't he say 2024 for boots on Mars? How's that going?
About as well as the cybertruck?
Cybertruck has been towing things around Starbase in Boca Chica. So yeah, about as well: delayed but still under development.
Colonizing Mars during this century seems so braindead to me. There are lots of issues, such as:
-Lack of substantial life support resources- it would be difficult to make oxygen or water from the elements on Mars.
-High surface radiation levels mean structures need to be underground
-It takes a very long time to shuttle supplies between Earth and Mars, and it would be unfathomably expensive.
-The tendency for humans to lose their minds in isolation means we need to use robots, develop "hypersleep", or build an elaborate and expensive base to keep humans entertained.
-The red planet is hostile to electronics. There are miles and miles of dust to clog up devices, and high wind speeds could damage above ground structures. Wind+dust=static, which is the arch nemesis of computer technology.
Let's start with solving climate change, living on the moon, or mining asteroids and see how it goes.
“ I’ve definitely considered all those things and ruled them out as problems.” -Elon Musk, probably
You forgot radiation in between Earth and Mars. Even if we can address things planet side, there's a long journey to cover. Also, extended periods in space leave bodies weak when they return to gravity; astronauts are carried out on cushions when they land, but there won't be anyone to do that on Mars.
We definitely need to get moon operations down first.
This is stupid. This is stupid like the cybertruck being made out of stainless steel resulting in a manufacturing cost that’s about 10x what the retail price was supposed to be because they have to be hand made and they’re still not ready for real life. This is renaming the brand that was by and large the only remaining valuable component of the company you paid $44B for because you fucked around and found out and then destroyed because you have no idea what you’re doing and you fired everyone who did.
Musk is a con man. That is his only gift. And it’s a gift that really comes from just winning the lottery. These people are injuring themselves for vaporware that’s going to do nothing but make Musk richer as he continues to eat that tasty government cheese and make tweets for a living.
according to a Reuters investigation.
The source: https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/spacex-musk-safety/
Know your place, plebian trash! Work! Faster!
Srsly tho fuk that guy.
Just musk shit.
So, there's some dishonesty (intentional? unintentional?) in the reporting by Reuters which is the source of this report
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/spacex-musk-safety/
I'm just going to take this from reddit as it'll be easier than rewriting it all
Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) injury statistics for 2022: https://www.bls.gov/iif/nonfatal-injuries-and-illnesses-tables/table-1-injury-and-illness-rates-by-industry-2022-national.htm
The 0.8 injuries per 100 workers for "Guided missile and space vehicle manufacturing" category is very low when comparing to other manufacturing industries that is comparable to what SpaceX is doing:
Average of all private industries: 2.7
Fabricated metal product manufacturing: 3.7
Machinery manufacturing: 2.8
Motor vehicle manufacturing: 5.9
Motor vehicle body and trailer manufacturing: 5.8
Motor vehicle parts manufacturing: 3.1
Aircraft manufacturing: 2.5
Ship and boat building: 5.6
Overall I don't see the numbers Reuters presented for 2022 (4.8 for Boca Chica, 1.8 for Hawthorne, 2.7 for McGregor) as abnormal at all, when compared to these other heavy manufacturing industries. I suspect the reason "Guided missile and space vehicle manufacturing" category reported such a low injury rate is because old space is not at all setup to be a high volume manufacturer as SpaceX is.
There's obviously room for improvement and reporting, but mass producing stuff is going to cause more injuries as you see in other more similar areas.
ULA had the biggest rocket factories and completely both builds and launches a rocket every other month for decades now. And they aren't anywhere close to SpaceX injury rates. The greed is the difference.
Musk has been reported going around factories demanding the removal of safety features and yelloy tape. At Tesla they had teams whose job was to set them up for inspections, then tear it down again because it "makes Elon upset to see so much yellow". The cruelty is the point.
SpaceX is cranking satellites off an assembly line unlike anything we've ever seen (~5400 total), and building around 1 raptor engine a day.
They've built over 20 starships and almost 20 boosters.
The scale of what SpaceX is building is on a whole other level. There will be more accidents in a mass production environment like this.
They've done over 80 launches this year which involves rapidly doing more and more things. That's dozens of booster recoveries and bringing them back and checking them out and repairing them etc.
I'm not saying the rushing hasn't incurred higher accident rates, but it's vastly different than launching 6 rockets a year, and the 0.8 average which includes building missles in a clean room.
The accident rate is comparable to things of this scale, but that doesn't mean it can't be better.
Edit: to further add - you can be upset that there are higher accidents due to rushing and that there is room to improve because of it, while also admitting and seeing that the comparison Reuters make is flawed and intentionally or not paints an even worse picture than it actually is. They aren't mutually exclusive things.
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