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If you dont 100% agree with every action of Israel's government, then you're their enemy.
It's a common thing with far right religious extremists.
far right religious extremists.
Fascists.
I've never met a far right religious extremist that wasn't a fascist…
But there are some non religious fascists.
It's a square/rectangle thing.
For sure. Just making sure that word gets thrown into the mix for accuracy.
They're practically synonyms.
And it’s because you’re an antisemite.
We’re all antisemite on this blessed day
Maybe the real treasure was the antisemite we met along the way
GOOD point
Speak for yourself.
I am all antisemite on this blessed day!
The instant someone makes that accusation, I disengage. I’ve learned the hard way.
People think that calling someone antisemitic (or anti-Muslim) is a great debate tactic if you’re trying to put your opponent on the defensive and derail the conversation. There’s a major difference between criticizing a government/organization and general bigotry, and they know that perfectly well, but people who want an easy, emotional argument don’t care. They’re not interested in details.
They’re not interested in details.
Same goes for most critics of Israel. They don't want to listen because they don't care. They already have their made up facts to parrot, even if they know little of actual history of the region.
Yeah. The argument I made applies in reverse, too. Trying to hide racism by calling it “political discourse” is bullshit.
With the US at Israels back, lets not pretend the UN wasn't always optional for them anyway.
I would love to see the US abandon Israel and let them pay for their own military/genocidal operations, but I know that's unpossible in the current political climate.
It’s only impossible if you stay silent. Call your congress people. Tell them how you feel about it. Make a case for pushing peace and not giving militar aid.
(Imo all aid should be in the form of supporting peace talks or protecting civilians, but I don’t know what the second part would look like.)
I have reached out to my congresscritters, but I'm in a gerrymandered area and mainly have trump nuts gargling toadies that would rather let the country burn than dare let people they don't agree with have a voice.
That's why I say it's unpossible, because I don't have the dosh to influence the idiots into not being war mongering fucksticks that actually care about anyone brown or without money.
That's not to say I'm not still trying, I just can see I'm pissing into the wind.
If it's somehow any consolation, I'm in a place where it's the opposite and I could vote for anything and the democrats would win regardless, and whenever I try to push my representatives on issues that don't align with where the party already is, I get what is essentially an automated response.
How funny, after writing the above I searched my reps name in my inbox to go through some past ones, and the last one where I wasn't just urging them to follow through on trump was the Israel Palestine conflict centered around Sheikh Jarrah in 2021. I asked him to make it matter in the next budget. All I got was a semi pre-written response where my senator said he supported asking for a ceasefire. Maybe I'm the moron for asking my senator to stand up and ask the rest of congress to give Israel less money instead of just asking for them to stop shooting. Everyone's asking them to stop shooting, not everyone has real power to change the conditions that allows the shootings, I thought that was the point of appealing to the government.
Israel is the US' key military foothold in the region, that's the deal and that's going to prevent anything more than a light rebuke.
you might be right, but the reality is yanking US support is an existential crisis for Israel.
we have more leverage in that game.
There are small town mayors with more power than the entire UN. The whole thing is optional.
Fucking children with nuclear briefcases, terrifying. Guterres's speech was very, very balanced.
From 2019:
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has banned two Democratic U.S. congresswomen from visiting the country and the Palestinian territories this weekend, according to a government official.
The two representatives have been vocal critics of the Israeli government and Trump's unwavering support of Netanyahu. They also voted against a nonbinding resolution condemning a Palestinian-led movement calling for boycotts, divestment and sanctions in Israel, which they have repeatedly defended.
Anyone see a pattern here?
If you're not on the side of Israel and USA you're on the side of Hamas, Russia, Iran, NK and China. Which is unsurprising given UN's record.
Finally! A black and white take on war, famously a simple moral situation.
I know I am so so sick of these complex views on the middle east. What is with internet comment threads that makes them lack all definite stances? I been saying this for years, the internet needs less middle ground and more incoherent dogmatic positions.
Some wars, sure.
This war, no.
You missed the silent /s
So what about the stance of not supporting Israel's genocide of Palestinians while condemning Hamas actions. Ever consider that its possible to be against both sides?
It's not a game of sportsball. You can be on the side of people getting murdered who have no direct control of the decisions of the governments and organisations committing atrocities.
That's the UN's job in fact. They aren't picking a side, and they are saying both sides have done wrong. All that's happened is the UN acknowledging an objective fact, if you consider killing civilians and targeting civilian infrastructure to be wrong.
Nah I can hate everyone in a glorious spectrum of rage. Guess where you fall on it right at this moment.
