Unfortunately, people of color can never give an inch on "gun control," if we do, that will certainly end catastrophically for us. Many have been swayed by the emotional argument, but the reality is that the source of the majority of gun control has been intended to disarm minorities and subject us to white terrorists that aren't held accountable to the same laws. Though I'm not a proponent of violence, I will violently defend my right to arms, because without it, the whites will not be held to account by the same laws, and will come to eradicate me and mines.
…Aided and abetted by the police, who are also conveniently except from nearly all gun restrictions and legislation. No points for anyone guessing that the favorite target of the police is also (predominantly black) minorities. Neither of these details are a coincidence.
Exactly. You don't have to look hard or far to find evidence of this. I'll never give up my arms, though I prefer never to use them on another human, I'll die with them in my hands.
If you think that legally owning a couple assault rifles gives you a chance against people in full body armor with armored vehicles and the support of the military then I have a sweet deal on a bridge for you.
So maybe don't use systemic racism as a defense for your fetishes. It is a truly disgusting thing to do
Easy for someone protected by white institutions to say. I'm not a fetishist, and I don't believe that I stand a chance against a modern military (my weapon of choice isn't the made-up "assault rifle," but my bolt action). The reality is, I'd rather be dead than go to a camp or be tortured/raped to death by fascists.
Take your disgusting, privileged ass bullshit elsewhere.
Preach. I'll die on my feet before I serve on my knees. A good bolt action will almost guarantee you'll take a few with you. Right thru their body armor.
The thing about values and integrity is that these things aren't up for debate. My decisions been made, it is part of what I consider me, outcomes be damned. There is no future for me separated from my values. I accept whatever peace, wealth, misfortune, violence or death that that brings me.
And modern war, by the time America is involved, boots on the ground, will be over as soon as it starts. You really think a sufficiently equipped, advanced tech military like ours is gonna roll thru street by street, house by house.
Naw man. It's gonna be all artillery and then kill all life sweeping murderdrones. If you don't know several ways to mask your IR emissions, right now, then you're already not a serious combatant.
Thank you. I'm not saying I seek violent confrontation, that I'll win violent confrontation. I'm saying there are lines that I've set, where violent confrontation is the only option. I'm a proponent of nonviolence where possible, and I do believe it is possible, though where it isn't possible, I'd rather die than be subjugated. Artillery or gunfire, I'll take the death on my feet because the other options are horrific.
Right, but doesn't the second part contradict your entire point? If it's over before it starts, then that just kind of backs up the argument of the person you're arguing against? I'm not making a point either way, just a third party observer…
I agree that a modern military would fuck us up in no time. Which is why a bolt action rifle would be useless. Is that not exactly what the person above was saying?
They are using systemic racism as an excuse to rub their… "barrel" over some death cult fantasy about the end of the world.
I am calling anyone who would use racism to justify the constant innocent deaths in this country to widespread and uncontrolled firearms a delusional monster.
And they still seem to think they are going to HOLD THE LINE with their bolt action (I hear Ziga at Polenar did okay with one when he was larping a few months back…) rather than probably just shoot a kid when they get antsy after watching too much of whatever propaganda they get off to.
Now, if they were looking for suggestions on cheaper and less destructive ways to commit suicide then…
You aren't hearing a fucking thing we're saying, you're just on some soapbox repeating yourself instead of trying to understand anyone else.
You will change absolutely ZERO minds that way
So congratulations, whatever moral high ground you might think you have, at the end of the day, you're still the only one with it. You're a credit to your cause.
No one has a violent fantasy here. No ones glorifying violence or even wants it here. You need to understand that first, cuz anything you say that betrays that understanding throws your entire ted talk out the window.
I WISH I lived in a world where I could trust everyone. Or at minimum, that I could trust the police. I am my most likely to die when I am around a police officer, even when I am unarmed. The good guy with a gun gets 58 bullets just the same, that means, if violence finds me, it's on ME to handle it, and end it, as fast and as lethal as possible, cuz I need that weapon stripped and laid out on the lawn before the police show up.
You know, if i want to survive the hypothetical exchange, that I didn't ask for.
Live your life how you want, you can hope and pray and close your eyes and say it won't happen to you. I can't afford that luxury.
You are advocating for firearms over the lives of children. Your obsession is making life more dangerous for everyone around you. Someone is blowing smoke in your nephew's face? Better not say anything because they might unload on you. Someone is ignoring a traffic light? Gotta give them a wide berth because they might be armed.
And yes, you do have a fucking violent fantasy because
Preach. I’ll die on my feet before I serve on my knees. A good bolt action will almost guarantee you’ll take a few with you. Right thru their body armor.
Is more of a fantasy than any of my "Maybe one day Stana Katic will get brain damage and think I am attractive and want to stick my p in her v" wet dreams.
And if the only thing keeping you from valuing your masturbatory gun nut fantasies is that people aren't being nice enough to you? Go fuck yourself because that is even more inhumane.
You and all the other gun nuts do not deserve any respect whatsoever. You are ghouls. Plain and simple.
Except… you and the other nutter have made it clear that you aren't even dumb enough to think you will get to scream "WOLVERINES" and then fight off an evil army like Swayze and Thor. You know this is pointless. And you still want your guns. And you want to use systemic racism and abuse as justification
If you were dumb enough to think you could change the world with your gun fantasy, you MIGHT be worthy of pity. Like a magat who has their face eaten by leopards.
Instead? You are only worthy of scorn. Because your response to systemic injustice is "how can I use that to justify my masturbatory fantasies about murdering people?"
This is my last attempt to reach the rational part of you. If you can't disassociate from the emotional overbearance you are clearly under than just move on now. Why waste effort if you aren't going to comprehend. Life is fleeting.
I don't expect to change your mind. I don't expect anything. This is for your benefit, if you can see it, idc the outcome, I'm washing my hands of it after I click send and I'll never think of it again.
The part you aren't acknowledging is about personal agency. Full stop. It begins and ends there.
You must think that responsible ownership of a tool is impossible. I think that's luda. I also don't need or want guidance from some overreaching surveillance/police state masquerading as a nanny state. It's always 'think about the children' being said as they take our rights away. History and precedent matter because people don't change without education. So we see education under attack too.
Being pro 2A≠advocating murder. In your monumental jump to conclusions and making an ass out of yourself with a dozen different assumptions, you have no idea where I stand on gun control, on what I think responsible ownership looks like, and what training I think ownership should require. Which tracks, you've given zero consideration to anything I've said and not concerned yourself with any overlap we might share on a vin diagram. I fall heavy left of center, in most ways you'd find an ally in me, but not in this way.
How's that car you drive? Those things kill innocent people everyday. Kids included. I'm sure you're out there leading chants at every city council demanding door to door public transportation aren't you? NO? Channeling all your efforts into just this, a single issue voter then? Got it.
To the crux
You method of communication and engaging conversation is weak, ineffective, and frankly, fucking boring. Learn how to debate and have an adult conversation. If you can't empathize with the other side you're just brow bashing.
You are failing to account for human nature.
You can't FORCE an understanding onto someone else. That's reeducation camp, conversion therapy bullshit. People don't look up to their abuser and say "gee they have a point", they dig in and double down. They tap their inner teenage angst and rebellion and remember they don't need money to say fuck you.
You insist a square peg will fit into a round hole, but don't mention the damage youll have to do to it first.
Goddamnit, I had this same fucking convo with my trans tankie cousin and I adore that little bitch. Motherfuckers. If you're trying to sway opinions to your side, YOU are responsible for your pitch. If it's ineffective, that's on YOU. You don't get to dunk on opposition and show glee. It undermines everything you do.
Fuck your feelings. If your communication is ineffective - what are you even doing? Reevaluate. Reassess. Learn the lesson so you stop repeating it, especially if you're just galvanizing the other side, ensuring protracted loggerheads.
Unfortunately, people of color can never give an inch on "gun control," if we do, that will certainly end catastrophically for us. Many have been swayed by the emotional argument, but the reality is that the source of the majority of gun control has been intended to disarm minorities and subject us to white terrorists that aren't held accountable to the same laws. Though I'm not a proponent of violence, I will violently defend my right to arms, because without it, the whites will not be held to account by the same laws, and will come to eradicate me and mines.
…Aided and abetted by the police, who are also conveniently except from nearly all gun restrictions and legislation. No points for anyone guessing that the favorite target of the police is also (predominantly black) minorities. Neither of these details are a coincidence.
Exactly. You don't have to look hard or far to find evidence of this. I'll never give up my arms, though I prefer never to use them on another human, I'll die with them in my hands.
If you think that legally owning a couple assault rifles gives you a chance against people in full body armor with armored vehicles and the support of the military then I have a sweet deal on a bridge for you.
So maybe don't use systemic racism as a defense for your fetishes. It is a truly disgusting thing to do
Easy for someone protected by white institutions to say. I'm not a fetishist, and I don't believe that I stand a chance against a modern military (my weapon of choice isn't the made-up "assault rifle," but my bolt action). The reality is, I'd rather be dead than go to a camp or be tortured/raped to death by fascists.
Take your disgusting, privileged ass bullshit elsewhere.
Preach. I'll die on my feet before I serve on my knees. A good bolt action will almost guarantee you'll take a few with you. Right thru their body armor.
The thing about values and integrity is that these things aren't up for debate. My decisions been made, it is part of what I consider me, outcomes be damned. There is no future for me separated from my values. I accept whatever peace, wealth, misfortune, violence or death that that brings me.
And modern war, by the time America is involved, boots on the ground, will be over as soon as it starts. You really think a sufficiently equipped, advanced tech military like ours is gonna roll thru street by street, house by house.
Naw man. It's gonna be all artillery and then kill all life sweeping murderdrones. If you don't know several ways to mask your IR emissions, right now, then you're already not a serious combatant.
Thank you. I'm not saying I seek violent confrontation, that I'll win violent confrontation. I'm saying there are lines that I've set, where violent confrontation is the only option. I'm a proponent of nonviolence where possible, and I do believe it is possible, though where it isn't possible, I'd rather die than be subjugated. Artillery or gunfire, I'll take the death on my feet because the other options are horrific.
Right, but doesn't the second part contradict your entire point? If it's over before it starts, then that just kind of backs up the argument of the person you're arguing against? I'm not making a point either way, just a third party observer…
I agree that a modern military would fuck us up in no time. Which is why a bolt action rifle would be useless. Is that not exactly what the person above was saying?
You are both saying the same thing.
I just want to make things clear:
They are using systemic racism as an excuse to rub their… "barrel" over some death cult fantasy about the end of the world.
I am calling anyone who would use racism to justify the constant innocent deaths in this country to widespread and uncontrolled firearms a delusional monster.
And they still seem to think they are going to HOLD THE LINE with their bolt action (I hear Ziga at Polenar did okay with one when he was larping a few months back…) rather than probably just shoot a kid when they get antsy after watching too much of whatever propaganda they get off to.
Now, if they were looking for suggestions on cheaper and less destructive ways to commit suicide then…
You aren't hearing a fucking thing we're saying, you're just on some soapbox repeating yourself instead of trying to understand anyone else.
You will change absolutely ZERO minds that way So congratulations, whatever moral high ground you might think you have, at the end of the day, you're still the only one with it. You're a credit to your cause.
No one has a violent fantasy here. No ones glorifying violence or even wants it here. You need to understand that first, cuz anything you say that betrays that understanding throws your entire ted talk out the window.
I WISH I lived in a world where I could trust everyone. Or at minimum, that I could trust the police. I am my most likely to die when I am around a police officer, even when I am unarmed. The good guy with a gun gets 58 bullets just the same, that means, if violence finds me, it's on ME to handle it, and end it, as fast and as lethal as possible, cuz I need that weapon stripped and laid out on the lawn before the police show up.
You know, if i want to survive the hypothetical exchange, that I didn't ask for.
Live your life how you want, you can hope and pray and close your eyes and say it won't happen to you. I can't afford that luxury.
Here is the thing.
You are advocating for firearms over the lives of children. Your obsession is making life more dangerous for everyone around you. Someone is blowing smoke in your nephew's face? Better not say anything because they might unload on you. Someone is ignoring a traffic light? Gotta give them a wide berth because they might be armed.
And yes, you do have a fucking violent fantasy because
Is more of a fantasy than any of my "Maybe one day Stana Katic will get brain damage and think I am attractive and want to stick my p in her v" wet dreams.
And if the only thing keeping you from valuing your masturbatory gun nut fantasies is that people aren't being nice enough to you? Go fuck yourself because that is even more inhumane.
You and all the other gun nuts do not deserve any respect whatsoever. You are ghouls. Plain and simple.
Except… you and the other nutter have made it clear that you aren't even dumb enough to think you will get to scream "WOLVERINES" and then fight off an evil army like Swayze and Thor. You know this is pointless. And you still want your guns. And you want to use systemic racism and abuse as justification
If you were dumb enough to think you could change the world with your gun fantasy, you MIGHT be worthy of pity. Like a magat who has their face eaten by leopards.
Instead? You are only worthy of scorn. Because your response to systemic injustice is "how can I use that to justify my masturbatory fantasies about murdering people?"
This is my last attempt to reach the rational part of you. If you can't disassociate from the emotional overbearance you are clearly under than just move on now. Why waste effort if you aren't going to comprehend. Life is fleeting.
I don't expect to change your mind. I don't expect anything. This is for your benefit, if you can see it, idc the outcome, I'm washing my hands of it after I click send and I'll never think of it again.
The part you aren't acknowledging is about personal agency. Full stop. It begins and ends there.
You must think that responsible ownership of a tool is impossible. I think that's luda. I also don't need or want guidance from some overreaching surveillance/police state masquerading as a nanny state. It's always 'think about the children' being said as they take our rights away. History and precedent matter because people don't change without education. So we see education under attack too.
Being pro 2A≠advocating murder. In your monumental jump to conclusions and making an ass out of yourself with a dozen different assumptions, you have no idea where I stand on gun control, on what I think responsible ownership looks like, and what training I think ownership should require. Which tracks, you've given zero consideration to anything I've said and not concerned yourself with any overlap we might share on a vin diagram. I fall heavy left of center, in most ways you'd find an ally in me, but not in this way.
How's that car you drive? Those things kill innocent people everyday. Kids included. I'm sure you're out there leading chants at every city council demanding door to door public transportation aren't you? NO? Channeling all your efforts into just this, a single issue voter then? Got it.
To the crux
You method of communication and engaging conversation is weak, ineffective, and frankly, fucking boring. Learn how to debate and have an adult conversation. If you can't empathize with the other side you're just brow bashing.
You are failing to account for human nature.
You can't FORCE an understanding onto someone else. That's reeducation camp, conversion therapy bullshit. People don't look up to their abuser and say "gee they have a point", they dig in and double down. They tap their inner teenage angst and rebellion and remember they don't need money to say fuck you.
You insist a square peg will fit into a round hole, but don't mention the damage youll have to do to it first.
Goddamnit, I had this same fucking convo with my trans tankie cousin and I adore that little bitch. Motherfuckers. If you're trying to sway opinions to your side, YOU are responsible for your pitch. If it's ineffective, that's on YOU. You don't get to dunk on opposition and show glee. It undermines everything you do.
Fuck your feelings. If your communication is ineffective - what are you even doing? Reevaluate. Reassess. Learn the lesson so you stop repeating it, especially if you're just galvanizing the other side, ensuring protracted loggerheads.
For fucks fucking sake, fuck.
I hope you have a good life.
What a shit take.