I agree. If your goal is to give birth, it feels like the fetus becomes a person. Otherwise, 20 to 24weeks, in my opinion, is the reasonable time a fetus could become a person as it is in that period that the conscious experience starts to appear.
The mother in this story was 2 months pregnant when she was arrested, so about eight weeks. I've searched for every other news story on this I could find and none of them say when she became aware she became pregnant and whether or not she used drugs after that, so it's quite likely she didn't have a goal of giving birth here.
Let me preface this by saying that I am disgusted with the way this woman has been treated and something needs to change.
none of them say when she became aware she became pregnant and whether or not she used drugs after that
It looks like she used drugs after that and that was why she had her probation revoked. At least, that is the story from the Sheriff's Office.
Caswell tested positive for Methamphetamines while being around 4 months pregnant. This is Ashley Caswell's 4th charge of Chemical Endangerment with 2 other pregnancies.
Caswell was released from the Etowah County jail in April of this year and placed on Community Corrections for monitoring. When Caswell came to report on 08/01/2022 she was drug tested and failed for methamphetamine, she was then arrested for a Community Corrections Violation. Caswell stated that she was around 4 months pregnant.
That's a different case, everything in the news article and lawsuit happened in 2021 but this one from the sheriff's page is from 2022
Assuming it's the same person and the sheriff's office is being truthful, it doesn't look like any of these awful events did anything to protect her children or stop her drug addiction
Yes. It is a more recent incident that occurred after she was arrested in 2021, because you posed the question of whether she used drugs after the first incident.
So it's your contention she was incarcerated in 2021 for conduct she engaged in during 2022? Because that seems like a violation of the Constitution, along with like laws of physics, but I really just don't understand what point you're trying to make here.
The comment I was responding to said [paraphrased] "if your goal is to give birth and you use drugs when you know you're pregnant that should be a crime." I just pointed out that we don't know if she knew she was 2 months pregnant in March 2021 when she was arrested, resulting in this jailhouse shower birth in October 2021. Whatever she's alleged to have done in 2022 and any arrests that resulted from that doesn't have anything to do with that question.
Yeah, it's definitely possible. She was arrested after failing a drug test, they probably did the pregnancy test then too and that could have been how/when she found out she was pregnant.
I agree. If your goal is to give birth, it feels like the fetus becomes a person. Otherwise, 20 to 24weeks, in my opinion, is the reasonable time a fetus could become a person as it is in that period that the conscious experience starts to appear.
The mother in this story was 2 months pregnant when she was arrested, so about eight weeks. I've searched for every other news story on this I could find and none of them say when she became aware she became pregnant and whether or not she used drugs after that, so it's quite likely she didn't have a goal of giving birth here.
Let me preface this by saying that I am disgusted with the way this woman has been treated and something needs to change.
It looks like she used drugs after that and that was why she had her probation revoked. At least, that is the story from the Sheriff's Office.
https://www.etowahcountysheriff.com/press_view.php?id=32
That's a different case, everything in the news article and lawsuit happened in 2021 but this one from the sheriff's page is from 2022
Assuming it's the same person and the sheriff's office is being truthful, it doesn't look like any of these awful events did anything to protect her children or stop her drug addiction
Yes. It is a more recent incident that occurred after she was arrested in 2021, because you posed the question of whether she used drugs after the first incident.
So it's your contention she was incarcerated in 2021 for conduct she engaged in during 2022? Because that seems like a violation of the Constitution, along with like laws of physics, but I really just don't understand what point you're trying to make here.
The comment I was responding to said [paraphrased] "if your goal is to give birth and you use drugs when you know you're pregnant that should be a crime." I just pointed out that we don't know if she knew she was 2 months pregnant in March 2021 when she was arrested, resulting in this jailhouse shower birth in October 2021. Whatever she's alleged to have done in 2022 and any arrests that resulted from that doesn't have anything to do with that question.
No.
You think the police knew she was pregnant before she knew she was pregnant?
Yeah, it's definitely possible. She was arrested after failing a drug test, they probably did the pregnancy test then too and that could have been how/when she found out she was pregnant.