• mcgravier@kbin.social
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        1 year ago

        Ok. Life expectancy in america is lower for poor people. We can agree on that. Can you please compare it to the life expectancy in communist countries, like North Korea, USSR or China during Mao regime?

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          Nice deflection to the 1st country that isn't Communist, a 2nd Country that doesnt exist anymore, and a 3rd country's past failure. China has increased their life expectancy by over 44 years in the past 80 years of Communist rule and passed the USA in 2020. The USA is trending in the opposite direction…

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        1 year ago

        If you want to imply that communism is more friendly to the environment, I'll have to disappoint you.

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_issues_in_Russia

        Many of the issues have been attributed to policies that were made during the early Soviet Union, at a time when many officials felt that pollution control was an unnecessary hindrance to economic development and industrialization, and, even though numerous attempts were made by the Soviet government to alleviate the situation in the 1960s, 1970s and 1980s, the problems were not completely solved.[1] By the 1990s, 40% of Russia's territory began demonstrating symptoms of significant ecological stress, largely due to a diverse number of environmental issues, including deforestation, energy irresponsibility, pollution, and nuclear waste.[2]

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          That was not my point. More than 50% of total greenhouse gas emissions happened after the USSR dissolved.

          Apart from that: As an anarcho-communist, I don't consider the USSR to be socialist (worker's control over the means of production). And even the USSR never called itself "communist" (a classless, moneyless society by the standard "to each according to their need, from each according to their ability"), since that would have meant that the state would have had to be dissolved. The USSR was state capitalist (total state control over the means of production) and therefore still adherent to the "growth at all costs" paradime.

          There is more thanone communist ideology. Murray Bookchin developed a ecologically stable form of communism starting in the1950s.

          Seriously: Fuck the USSR

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            No you misunderstand the USSR did achieve communism: If it didn't achieve statelessness, why doesn't it still exist? Checkmate, comrade.