• Mog_fanatic@lemmy.world
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    17 days ago

    It’s not entirely out of touch tho. Trust me, there is a not insignificant sect of the populace that firmly believes if private insurance goes away and the country just dips it’s toes into universal healthcare, the communists have won and the country is ruined beyond repair somehow.

    After talking to a good amount of these folks, I’ll say the absolute bonkers mental gymnastics to justify that line of thought is truly something to behold.

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      17 days ago

      That’s exactly it. They don’t like it but they view any alternative, especially one forced on them, as worse. If you want to fix the problem, you unfortunately have to coddle the morons and let them voluntarily change when they find out it’s better.

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        16 days ago

        Isn’t there more to it than that though? The “morons” are convinced by a multi-trillion dollar propaganda machine.

        I don’t think anyone is immune to propaganda.

        Now, this isn’t to say that I know how to counter this, but the scope of the issue is vast.

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          16 days ago

          If you can manufacture a multi-trillion dollars advertisement strategy for single payer, go right ahead, otherwise we can wish things were different until we are blue in the face or work with the current environment as it exists.

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        16 days ago

        There is another way-

        The population of the UK was very against universal healthcare. The government implemented it anyway. Now threatening the funding of the NHS is a surefire way to not get elected.

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          16 days ago

          I could be wrong, but maybe the political and media environment in the 1940s is different than today making it an inaccurate comparison.

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            16 days ago

            Of course you’re right.

            Sometimes people have to be forced into their own betterment, as unpleasant as that may be. Maybe there will be the political will for change after four more years of chaos, insanity, and pain under DT. Maybe we don’t ever have a fair election again. Not much to do but wait, get armed, train, and make sure your friends, family, and neighbors are secure.

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      16 days ago

      It is very out of touch.

      Healthy people when polled say they like their health insurance.

      Folks who actually have to use their health insurance despise it.

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        16 days ago

        Somebody posted a link to a similar or maybe even the same poll you’re referencing in this post. I was so confused by 81% of people liking their insurance company. This puts it into context, thank you.

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      17 days ago

      I think they were also trying to keep folks who already had decent insurance plans, and there were definitely a bunch. Thinking of people in good careers who were also on the tail end of when employers treated employees better - there were a lot of people doing comparatively well who had (at least somewhat justifiable, we’re talking healthcare) concerns about the idea of single-provider.

      (referring to the “if you like your plan, you can keep it” angle during ACA days)