Meanwhile, 44 percent backed the American tradition of competing branches of government as a model, if sometimes “frustrating,” system.
Why would people want to live under an authoritarian’s thumb? It’s rooted, experts say, in a psychological need for security—real or perceived—and a desire for conformity, a goal that becomes even more acute as the country undergoes dramatic demographic and social changes. People also like to obey a strong leader who will protect the group—especially if it is the “right” group whose interests will be protected. Recall the Trump supporter who, during the 2019 government shutdown, complained, “He’s not hurting the people he needs to be hurting.”
We fought a fucking war over this and people still seem to love licking boots.
They are a part of our DNA. Perhaps the tribe in the jungle needed bootlickers to survive and we inherited that DNA.
We never were civilized. We added extra steps to the (concrete) jungle and pretended we were.
Stupid people who don’t know how the system works think that they will someday be wearing the boot. They think because they kiss the boot that they’ll never be stomped.
It was a disturbingly close call which side of WWII we were gonna land on. In 1939 the second-largest Nazi party in the world was right here in America.
That’s what the Germans though in 1932, too. Maybe those idiots now should have a look into some history books about that era to see what happened next.
And this right here is exactly why leftist should never give up their guns.
Doesn’t look like keeping them is doing much either.
The ballot box still works AFAIK (as shit as First Past The Post voting is)
Are you an accelerationist?
It sounds like the person you’re responding to is saying the accelerated option isn’t being effective?
Yes it was, but honestly if I make a comment that a pro-gun American can see as negative against, I am aware I will be downvoted heavily.
Lol that’s fair. The States IS a country that considers gun ownership a HUMAN RIGHT and doesnt understand how insane lumping gun ownership with being able to access drinkable water is
Weird coincidence, but have you noticed how Trump’s approval, when it’s at its absolute lowest, always hovers around 32%?
“Susan Sontag was asked what she had learned from the Holocaust, and she said that 10% of any population is cruel, no matter what, and that 10% is merciful, no matter what, and that the remaining 80% could be moved in either direction” —Kurt Vonnegut
Yeah, I like to call that the 10-80-10 principle. That’s why it’s so important to keep the arguments up for why we should vote Blue no matter who. 10% want to fuck everyone over. And they’ve managed to convince another 22% that they are right. We’re all screwed if we don’t get the 68% that aren’t assholes to vote Blue.
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32% of americans are chickenshit responsibility abrogators that want everything they do to be dictated to them. Religion has been a major primer for that mindset
At some level, people just want a particular policy. It’s silly to pretend a democracy where I never get what I want is going to be more attractive than a dictatorship where I get to unleash my libidinal id.
And you can’t just blame this on religion. Religiosity has plummeted over the last 40 years, but we seem to be as accommodating towards fascism as ever.
They are authoritarians.
A guy in the 90s foretold what will happen, who they are, and why we must outvote them
Also fun fact:
Every tabletop scenario he ran (think like a UN version of Risk) in which the Authoritarians had control, they wiped out everyone with nuclear war including themselves.
A nuclear civil war… can’t say I’m surprised.
If I remember correctly, even after giving the authoritarians a do-over, they still fucked it up.
Meanwhile, the people in the other group who scored low on authoritarianism like solved the climate crisis and world hunger.
Some people are legitimately bad at politics and stuff, and it’s not the people the authoritarians are mad about.
Yep lol. Every chance they got they blew themselves and everyone else up. It was quite the crazy read on a flight from Boston to Chicago lol.
I don’t think we’ll go out that way, but I do 100% believe our greed will be our “great filter” that we do not pass. :(
I’m just going off what his report said.
And he nailed them to a fucking T
with dwindling resources on a warming planet, I think the likelyhood of a significant nuclear exchange is dramatically increased - perhaps even inevitable.
agree with the great filter. it makes me think that humans, having acted as a great filter for our hominid family tree, are about to reap what we have been sowing for the last 200k+ years.
or this could be a one of many catalysts for speciation. I sometimes feel that some people are already a different species. not better, not worse (not willing to engage in subjective morality) - just different, with different goals, problems and problem solving tools.
the likelyhood of a significant nuclear exchange is dramatically increased - perhaps even inevitable.
Yes. Never has anybody used a weapon only once forever. As long as nukes still exist, they WILL get used again someday. We can’t help ourselves.
Can’t they just say Trump supporters?
They could but that would be wrong since the split is only 4% between the left and right (L-25% and R - 29%).
Nope. 48 percent of Republicans, 38 percent of independents, and 29 percent of Democrats.
I am literally reading from the article… And even with your numbers democrats are still quite terrible…
Dude… I quoted that FROM the article.
“A PRRI study last October found that 38 percent of Americans (and 48 percent of Republicans, 38 percent of independents, and 29 percent of Democrats) think the country needs a leader who will “break some rules if that’s what it takes to set things right.”
Stop making shit up.
Did you notice that your numbers dont match the headlines? The headline and main part of the article is about the pew study which I quoted from.
Stop making shit up.
This coming from the “if you exchange freedom.for security you will enjoy neither freedom nor security” folks.
Just a quick question: give me one, ONE simple example of a successful military dictatorship that didn’t take the country to hell and left damn near all its citizens poor, suppressed, and suffering?
France under DeGaulle?
Edit to add: It’s not an assertio, it’s a question I don’t know the answer to.
That was not a military dictatorship, was it?
Thailand regularly has military coups.
Also… Do you really want a military dictatorship run by right wing Christian extremists with an obsession with the end times with access to nukes? Just something to ponder about.
Would you accept a US military coup to remove bunch of right wing Christian extremists that have taken things too far?
It might actually get to that point. Not hoping for it but it wouldn’t surprise me
Sparta
Slavery? Really? That’s your example?
Well yeah, they asked for a simple example, I gave one. What’s wrong with that? The discussion is already in the realm of “military dictatorship” which aren’t exactly known for respecting human rights/freedoms of non-citizena. The question was about the sustainability of such systems for those deemed citizens.
Hmm I wonder what 30% that is…
I also wonder if there is any overlap between that 30% and people that have a bones for “freedom” and “liberty”
If you check the poll it’s not what you’d expect. The self-identified left had 25% support. The self-identified right had 29% support. The self-identified center had 37 PERCENT support. There’s apparently a thirst for some strong authoritarian radical centrism.
I struggle to trust numbers nowadays. After being on Reddit for 11 years and now here on Lemmy, and around the Internet my entire life, lemme tell you about why people would self-identify as something else for a moment:
Because they are anonymous.
There are a huge amount of people who are on the Right on Lemmy trying to pass off as Blue, or blue-leaning.
As someone who is quite left, I find myself less radically left than many on Lemmy. My beliefs basically fall exactly with Bernie Sanders, which is more left than probably 95% of the entire country, but that isn’t left enough for some people.
If you ask people about policies and not self-identification, Bernie’s ideas have massive support from all Americans. It’s political discourse that has swung right, not the views of typical Americans.
If you ask the same people if they would want a leftist military regime or authoritarian governement they would beg for democracy. These people have no scrouples. End of the day they just want to be left alone like everyone else. It’s just lashing out because they themselves don’t want to change.
“Leftist military regime” is an oxygenated moron.
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The Founders were ONLY CORRECT when they said we’re allowed to Shoot Up Elementary Schools. Everything else was WRONG!
-Pro Life Republicans.
a decade later, somewhere on 4chan
be me
hardcore Trump supporter
Trump wins, I’m ecstatic
world starts going to hell, WW3 kicks off
married with three sons, trying to keep everything together
decide to start a construction company, war efforts boost business
build a bunch of buildings, making bank
get elected to local office, life is on the up and upland a huge contract, biggest yet
build the place, turns out it’s a gay bar
fml
media catches wind, calls me part of the “woke agenda”
sons get drafted into the war, proud but terrified
trying to keep the family safe as the world burns
business takes a nosedive, firebombed by extremists
every building I’ve ever built gets torched
house goes up in flames, barely escape with wifewife blames me for everything, says I’m the reason we’re targeted
receive word from the front lines
“All three of your sons killed in friendly fire”
caskets arrive the next morning
wife loses it completely, leaves the country, I’m left alonearrested, accused of contributing to “trans agenda”
just a foreman trying to get by, now rotting in jail
every dream turned to ash
life was supposed to be perfect
now I’m just a broken man with nothing but regrettfw everything falls apart because of one misguided decision
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I’m not sure I find the idea of a 4Channer with a wife plausible.
The people who dont want to be told how they live desperately want someone to tell them how to live.
They want their opinion mirrored back at them by someone in power so they don’t have to take responsibility for their own opinions.
A close friend of mine is a woman of color and her bosses want the same things from her. They wants to hear their opinion come out of someone with her skin tone so they feel justified and not responsible at the same time. I imagine these are similar phenomenon.
You just perfectly described the Candace Owens and Dave Rubin phenomenon.
Sounds like they’re just looking for a daddy.
They don’t want to be told how to live while simultaneously having someone force others to live like them.
Alternative headline: “32 percent of Americans are fucking braindead”
I mean, I imagine if someone like Bernie Sanders became Dictator for Life; the quality of life for 99.999% of Americans would improve; so purely in a thought-experiment kind of way, it works.
The issue with even the most benelovent dictatorships is the matter of succession.
Yup, that is the exact problem of benevolent dictatorships. No matter how good it is in the short term, the long term will always end in disaster at some point or another.
Braindead, or supremely selfish and would love a regime that enforces their unpopular desires over the democratic choice?
Which is still braindead. What happens when their perfect leader can no longer serve? Even if a dictator 100% aligns with you, you’re a fool to support them.
