Yes, but it’s difficult to access. You need to want to get the care and actively campaign to be referred.
And that’s the “easy” things like anxiety or garden variety depression.
As soon as it gets complicated it’s a whole other story.
If she never tried to seek it out, then it doesn’t even matter as it appears she didn’t give off any “I murder babies” vibes to the extent that the investigation was delayed beyond a reasonable length of time because she was not suspected of such a thing.
Not to mention, if she was diagnosed with something severe, she would probably lose her job if not her entire career. A lot of people avoid seeking help for that reason.
Right, but she was compulsively murdering babies in the hospital. Can we all agree that she shouldn’t have had a job as a nurse in a NICU? That doesn’t feel like a statement with room for debate.
But… The comment is about why the murderer perhaps didn’t seek mental health. Because she didn’t want to lose her job. Who is saying that this was a good job for her to have?!
The other dumb fucks pushing the issue for whatever reason. I’m trying to figure out why it’s so important for them for everyone else to submit to their opinion that the murderer was mentally ill. What difference would it even make? She’d be a threat to the community regardless and so her imprisonment or execution would be justified whether she was mentally ill or not, so what’s the deal, I wonder?
The point is that if she had had help before she started killing babies, we wouldn’t even be here.
But she didn’t. We may never know why in her case, but in other cases, fear of losing your job and having no way to afford food, housing, or other needs is one reason.
Because people always look for answers. The other explanation would be “some people are just evil” which is irrational, unscientific, sounds like religious bs and gives no room for change.
There are any number of explanations that could apply. You’re presenting a false dichotomy between “mental illness” and “some people are just evil” because you’re looking to silence opinions you do not agree with, and you don’t have a right to do that. What if there’s a different reason? What if she was blackmailed or brainwashed? What if it was part of her religion? What if someone paid her off to do it? Your mind jumped immediately to mental illness, a mindset that stigmatizes the mentally ill. You cannot call yourself good or just when you do that.
The truth is that some people really are just evil and they do stuff like this because they’re sadistic, or entitled, or because they think they can do what they want with impunity. You being unable to accept that fact doesn’t make it not true, and that answer not sounding pleasant to you doesn’t make it false either. No one’s obligated to give a baby murderer room for change; they’re allowed to put the well-being of children and the community above hers.
It sounds like you’re just mad because other people are rightfully mad at her and want to see her punished, and you can’t see what’s wrong with that. You legitimately don’t understand that it’s not right to morally condemn others for wanting to excise someone like her from the community – an act hardwired in most social animals to protect their safety and the safety of the group, including humans. Maybe the one who’s mentally ill here isn’t her, it’s you.
So a baby murderer should have been allowed to keep her job and continue to put innocent lives in danger because you 1) baselessly think she’s mentally ill, and 2) think that a condition as extreme as you’re implying shouldn’t be regarded with consequence.
Real talk though, you can’t punish thought crimes.
Who TF dreams of crashing planes that does not fly planes? The incidence of plane-crash-dreamers is most certainly highly concentrated amongst pilots.
As are those who dream of killing babies concentrated around those who spend time around them.
Most of us use our brains to filter out things that we don’t want to come to actualization. But the bad thoughts are in there. 94% of us will experience intrusive thoughts at some point in our lives. All to jail?
And yet you think people should have their guns taken away for their thoughts or their words, so what makes you think you’re any better?
But the bad thoughts are in there. 94% of us will experience intrusive thoughts at some point in our lives. All to jail?
Imagine treating intrusive thoughts and killing babies as somehow equivalent. And that psychologists aren’t trained to know the difference and who to flag, and who not to. At least that’s what you’d say when pushing for red flag laws.
Or like get it solved before it becomes a problem? And have a professional medical opinion reccomend if you should work somewhere to not based on a risk assessment, not just a blanket statement
Ok, but the alternative is knowing a nurse directly in charge of infants wants to murder them and still letting her go into work. You’re basically an accomplice at that point.
Every mental health professional I have seen over the years is a mandatory reporter (in the US). Meaning they stated to me, upfront… if you have thoughts of hurting others OR yourself that WILL be reported. I didn’t have those thoughts so I probably put that out of my mind rather quickly.
But after reading these comments, and the articles I can see both sides of the argument. Those suffering from these thoughts may well feel scared to admit them knowing they would have consequences for their jobs/ or legal trouble from admitting them. I’ve no idea who they would be “reporting” it to. I assume the mental health worker would attempt to send the individual to a psychiatric hospital so they can get help .
Isn’t there protections for that though? That may fall under some medical status protection. Also when diagnosed you also get medicine which may help your brain balance.
It’s so hard, because those families have it so amazingly awful but I can’t imagine her being a sane person and doing what she did. She shouldn’t be on the street and she needed help a long time ago.
You may have had a different experience than I had, but in my local authority area, access beyond your GP is very difficult. The list is so long they try to avoid referrals, and if you’re unwell the ability to advocate for yourself is diminished.
Some would rather chuck a Prozac at you and hope that’ll fix it.
Yes, but it’s difficult to access. You need to want to get the care and actively campaign to be referred.
And that’s the “easy” things like anxiety or garden variety depression.
As soon as it gets complicated it’s a whole other story.
If she never tried to seek it out, then it doesn’t even matter as it appears she didn’t give off any “I murder babies” vibes to the extent that the investigation was delayed beyond a reasonable length of time because she was not suspected of such a thing.
Not to mention, if she was diagnosed with something severe, she would probably lose her job if not her entire career. A lot of people avoid seeking help for that reason.
Well, it turns out that you will also lose your job if you are caught murdering babies.
Ok, but she shouldn’t have had her job.
Easy to say from where we sit. Harder when that job is what’s keeping a roof over your head and food on your table.
Right, but she was compulsively murdering babies in the hospital. Can we all agree that she shouldn’t have had a job as a nurse in a NICU? That doesn’t feel like a statement with room for debate.
But… The comment is about why the murderer perhaps didn’t seek mental health. Because she didn’t want to lose her job. Who is saying that this was a good job for her to have?!
The other dumb fucks pushing the issue for whatever reason. I’m trying to figure out why it’s so important for them for everyone else to submit to their opinion that the murderer was mentally ill. What difference would it even make? She’d be a threat to the community regardless and so her imprisonment or execution would be justified whether she was mentally ill or not, so what’s the deal, I wonder?
The point is that if she had had help before she started killing babies, we wouldn’t even be here.
But she didn’t. We may never know why in her case, but in other cases, fear of losing your job and having no way to afford food, housing, or other needs is one reason.
Because people always look for answers. The other explanation would be “some people are just evil” which is irrational, unscientific, sounds like religious bs and gives no room for change.
There are any number of explanations that could apply. You’re presenting a false dichotomy between “mental illness” and “some people are just evil” because you’re looking to silence opinions you do not agree with, and you don’t have a right to do that. What if there’s a different reason? What if she was blackmailed or brainwashed? What if it was part of her religion? What if someone paid her off to do it? Your mind jumped immediately to mental illness, a mindset that stigmatizes the mentally ill. You cannot call yourself good or just when you do that.
The truth is that some people really are just evil and they do stuff like this because they’re sadistic, or entitled, or because they think they can do what they want with impunity. You being unable to accept that fact doesn’t make it not true, and that answer not sounding pleasant to you doesn’t make it false either. No one’s obligated to give a baby murderer room for change; they’re allowed to put the well-being of children and the community above hers.
It sounds like you’re just mad because other people are rightfully mad at her and want to see her punished, and you can’t see what’s wrong with that. You legitimately don’t understand that it’s not right to morally condemn others for wanting to excise someone like her from the community – an act hardwired in most social animals to protect their safety and the safety of the group, including humans. Maybe the one who’s mentally ill here isn’t her, it’s you.
Funniest joke we heard all day
So a baby murderer should have been allowed to keep her job and continue to put innocent lives in danger because you 1) baselessly think she’s mentally ill, and 2) think that a condition as extreme as you’re implying shouldn’t be regarded with consequence.
I never said that she should be allowed to keep her job.
You wouldn’t say the quiet part out loud.
Of course not, but that’s not looking at it from the perspective of her mental illness.
From her point of view, keeping her job was likely a high priority.
So weird that private medical info is only like sorta private except if they wanna use it
I mean, on the one hand I agree.
On the other hand, if you dream of murdering babies or crashing planes, perhaps the hospital or airline you work for should be informed.
Real talk though, you can’t punish thought crimes.
Who TF dreams of crashing planes that does not fly planes? The incidence of plane-crash-dreamers is most certainly highly concentrated amongst pilots.
As are those who dream of killing babies concentrated around those who spend time around them.
Most of us use our brains to filter out things that we don’t want to come to actualization. But the bad thoughts are in there. 94% of us will experience intrusive thoughts at some point in our lives. All to jail?
And yet you think people should have their guns taken away for their thoughts or their words, so what makes you think you’re any better?
Imagine treating intrusive thoughts and killing babies as somehow equivalent. And that psychologists aren’t trained to know the difference and who to flag, and who not to. At least that’s what you’d say when pushing for red flag laws.
Or like get it solved before it becomes a problem? And have a professional medical opinion reccomend if you should work somewhere to not based on a risk assessment, not just a blanket statement
And that attitude is why they don’t seek help
Ok, but the alternative is knowing a nurse directly in charge of infants wants to murder them and still letting her go into work. You’re basically an accomplice at that point.
Every mental health professional I have seen over the years is a mandatory reporter (in the US). Meaning they stated to me, upfront… if you have thoughts of hurting others OR yourself that WILL be reported. I didn’t have those thoughts so I probably put that out of my mind rather quickly.
But after reading these comments, and the articles I can see both sides of the argument. Those suffering from these thoughts may well feel scared to admit them knowing they would have consequences for their jobs/ or legal trouble from admitting them. I’ve no idea who they would be “reporting” it to. I assume the mental health worker would attempt to send the individual to a psychiatric hospital so they can get help .
Isn’t there protections for that though? That may fall under some medical status protection. Also when diagnosed you also get medicine which may help your brain balance.
Not the right time. Not the right place.
This woman murdered a lot of babies. Your comment is wildly inappropriate.
It’s so hard, because those families have it so amazingly awful but I can’t imagine her being a sane person and doing what she did. She shouldn’t be on the street and she needed help a long time ago.
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Nah, not self defense.
That would not be murder, then. Murder requires premeditation.
Premeditation is only required for first-degree murder.
Depends on the jurisdiction. Some places call homicide without premeditation “manslaughter”. Colloquially, murder has intent.
I agree that it depends on the jurisdiction.
All murder is homicide, but not all homicide is murder.
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You may have had a different experience than I had, but in my local authority area, access beyond your GP is very difficult. The list is so long they try to avoid referrals, and if you’re unwell the ability to advocate for yourself is diminished.
Some would rather chuck a Prozac at you and hope that’ll fix it.
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