Israel, the United States and Hamas are close to an agreement to free dozens of women and children held hostage in Gaza, in exchange for the first sustained pause in conflict in Gaza, according to people familiar with its provisions.

  • PugJesus@kbin.social
    37·
    1 year ago

    Diplomatic support matters, but also, the UK has sent ships and planes to support Israel, the European Union’s executive arm announced it was suspending all aid to the Palestinian territories, Germany offers Israel military help and promises to crack down at home on support for Hamas , like are you serious?

    I made the comment in response to "Imagine believing Israel is somehow able to survive without a steady supply of support from the entire Western world."

    Show me the steady supply of support from NATO countries other than the US, not the immediate reaction to a civilian massacre.

    Also, this is not the 1950s! You’re living in the past, the Israel of today is run by the soft sons of the ones who conquered Palestine. Their soldiers aren’t warriors, they’re concentration camp guards and dronies and desk jockies. There’s a reason they’ve lost tanks trying to take Gaza.

    "Soft sons", "their soldiers aren't warriors"

    Jesus Christ. And tankies wonder why people call them red fash.

    • queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
      810·
      1 year ago

      2008: 'Israel, Germany develop nuclear warning system'

      2020: UK and Israel sign agreement on military cooperation

      I really don't care to keep looking this stuff up for you. Just look in wikipedia for [country]-israel relations, there's loads of examples of both military and non-military cooperation between Israel and various NATO countries. Without America, all that goes away.

      Jesus Christ. And tankies wonder why people call them red fash.

      And yet you're the one supporting genocide.

      When preemies die because there's no power for their incubators, that's our fault. We both voted for that.

      I'm not voting for that again. It's not too late for Biden to change course, and if he does I will vote for him.

      But by voting blue-no-matter-who, you are making Biden worse. You are showing him he can do anything he wants and, as long as he is slightly better than Trump, you will support him. No matter how many thousands of children die screaming under the rubble, scared out of their minds and surrounded only by darkness and the smell of burning flesh and ash and rotting bodies. No matter how many families are torn into bloody chunks. No many how many mothers have to say goodbye to their little children forever.

      You'll vote for it, because it could be worse under Trump.

      I'd rather kill myself.

      • PugJesus@kbin.social
        25·
        1 year ago

        2008: ‘Israel, Germany develop nuclear warning system’

        2020: UK and Israel sign agreement on military cooperation

        I ask for proof of "a steady supply of" material support, and you give me…

        A jointly-developed nuclear warning system and a cooperation agreement regarding Britain and Israel exchanging expertise and Britain already having purchased Israeli-made drones for their own use.

        Okay, I guess nearly every militarily competent country on earth has "a steady supply of" material support from NATO. We really are the illuminati.

        I’d rather kill myself.

        You keep going back to this. As one suicidal person to another, it's not a fucking excuse to fuck the world after you.

        • queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
          69·
          1 year ago

          Okay, I guess nearly every country on earth has “a steady supply of” material support from NATO. We really are the illuminati.

          Material exchange is material support. You can tell by the fact that they don't do that with NATOs enemies.

          I want you to imagine a world where Israel is treated like Iran, except it doesn't even have support from Russia or China either.

          You keep going back to this. As one suicidal person to another, it’s not a fucking excuse to fuck the world after you.

          Not if I make it count. The Arab Spring comes to mind.

          • PugJesus@kbin.social
            34·
            1 year ago

            Material exchange is material support. You can tell by the fact that they don’t do that with NATOs enemies.

            China and the US are now best buddies, apparently.

            I want you to imagine a world where Israel is treated like Iran, except it doesn’t even have support from Russia or China either.

            Okay. It looks rather like the world today, except Israel is even more virulently far-right and militarized, like North Korea.

            Not if I make it count. The Arab Spring comes to mind.

            That has nothing to do with what I said.

            • S_204@lemmy.worldEnglish
              33·
              1 year ago

              The person you're arguing with appears to have learned about this issue last month and is furiously searching wikipedia for a gotcha… that doesn't exist.