Donald Trump's campaign spokesman defended Trump using "vermin" to describe his enemies, while historians compared his language to Hitler, Mousselini.

    • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
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      1 year ago

      No problem. I wish he had been convicted obviously. And I seriously doubt that is anywhere near the only time he's raped a woman. But like so many other things in his life, he's gotten away with it.

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      A jury if his peers still found that Trump was a rapist. The judge in that trial clarified that the jury finding meant that Trump was a rapist.

      This was after the Trump camp claimed, after losing the defamation suit, that none of this meant that Trump was a rapist.

      So the judge explicitly clarified that the jury had found that Trump had committed rape.

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        1 year ago

        Found that he was more likely a rapist, not a rapist beyond a reasonable doubt.

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          Trump was found to be a rapist by a jury because he used his fingers to sexually assault and violate a woman. The judge clarified that Trump raped Jean carroll.

          Those conclusions are beyond reasonable doubt.

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            Those conclusions are beyond reasonable doubt.

            No that's literally not what they found, because it was not a criminal trial. That wasn't the burden of proof. He may be guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, but a civil court is not legally capable of proving that.

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              Trump was not criminally convicted as his rape trial was a civil case, not criminal.

              Those jurors found Trump responsible for digital rape that in New york is defined as sexual assault, that the judge clarifiedas rape because trump violated a woman sexually, the new york legal term is just too narrow here for the finding because he used his fingers to violate her vagina.

              https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/07/19/trump-carroll-judge-rape/

              Still rape.

              Your doubt is your own, but seems unreasonable.

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                I'm talking about the legal term, reasonable doubt. To prove something beyond a reasonable doubt in a court is a different process. One that isn't done in a civil court, therefore it can't prove it. That doesn't mean he isn't guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, just that a civil court can't prove that.

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                  So you're just agreeing with what everyone else has clarified, that this is a civil, not criminal trial.

                  The jury and judge found Trump liable for rape. This finding is beyond a reasonable doubt.

                  No, baby hands is not criminally liable beyond a reasonable doubt, he is civilly liable for rape beyond a reasonable doubt according to judge and jury.

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                    My criticism is using the term "beyond a reasonable doubt" about the court's finding. Which it didn't claim to make and can't have made.

                  • PsychedSy@sh.itjust.works
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                    No. He means that a civil trial uses different evidentiary standards. In a civil suit the standard is "preponderance of the evidence", while a criminal trial requires proof "beyond a reasonable doubt".

                    It's factually wrong to say it's beyond a reasonable doubt due to the civil suit.