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  • It really depends on what a Trump reign will look like, right?

    Will he be able to round up tens of millions of people and deport them, as he has promised? Will he institute another Muslim ban, as he has promised? Will he stay in office after his next four year term, as he has said he wants to? Will he use the office of the president to persecute political opponents, as he has promised? Will he “root out” all the “vermin” in the United States, as he had promised? And if yes: who will get declared to be “vermin?” How will they be “rooted out?” Will he make torture legal, as he promised? Will he bring back family separation and child detention camps? Will he threaten nuclear war again? And if yes, will some crazy regime take him up on the offer?

    And if all of that or even just a fraction of that comes to pass, will you still sleep well, knowing that you might have been able to stop all of that but voting for the lesser of two evils was just beneath you?

    Because ultimately, that’s the decision you’re making.





  • Well, let's see what Trump has said about that:

    "We are going to win four more years. And then after that, we'll go for another four years because they spied on my campaign. We should get a redo of four years."

    or how about

    “I have to the right to do whatever I want as president.”

    or

    “A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution.”

    or how about when he admired Xi Jinping:

    "He's now president for life. President for life. And he's great. I think it's great. Maybe we'll give that a shot someday."








  • I'll tell you exactly how I'd feel about that, I'd feel that you shouldn't kill innocent people from the countries that the terrorists hail from in response, because I'm not a shitty human being.

    "I think this shouldn't be done" is a non-answer.

    You have avoided the main topic to try and make a point that is still unrelated to the topic at hand. We are not talking about helping Palestinians. I don't know how you still don't get it. You're intentionally ignoring it and it is really starting to piss me off.

    You're the one who has made exactly zero suggestions about how to stop Hamas.

    Have you lost even one single word about Hamas mass murdering civilians? Have you lost one single word about Hamas torturing people, beheading people, burning people alive?

    No?

    Why not?

    Is that just acceptable to you? Are you just a shitty human being?

    Or is that, to you, just something terrorists do, so we should ask, collectively, just shrug it off?

    If you genuinely think this, you're insane.


  • So your tangible answers are:

    • Doing a better job at controlling their borders.
    • Partner with the dozens of countries you are allied with.

    That's your answer of how a nation should respond to a terrorist attack that killed 1,400 civilians, where the attached committed the most inhumane, vile atrocities?

    Put yourself in the Israeli civilians' shoes, say 1,400 of your fellow citizen - men, women, children, babies - have just been murdered by a terrorist organization that rules an adjacent territory in the most gruesome way: decapitated, shot, bludgeoned, burned to death. How would you feel about that?

    And how would you feel about it if then somebody told you "well, why don't you just control the borders a little bit better and partner with your allies?'


  • You are asking a question that is totally unrelated to the topic.

    Because you wrote a post that was totally unrelated to my question, and totally unrelated to the entire conversation before it.

    The entire premise of the conversation was that Hamas might not even exist today if Israel had only chosen to help the Palestinians.

    If your entire reply to that topic can be summed up as "well, too late for that," then I agree with you.

    I fail to see the point in trying to help them if you are actively blowing them up to stop a terrorist organization, you should do that before you do anything else, it's literally a prerequisite.

    How do you feel that Israel should have reacted to the 10/7 attacks?


  • And the cause for the blockade before 2012 was that Hamas seized power in the Gaza strip, murdered its political opponents, and instituted a reign of terror where elections were suspended indefinitely, dissent was impossible, and Palestinian "collaborators" were abducted, tortured, and murdered.

    And the reason for the end of the ceasefire in 2014 was that Hamas abducted the teenagers, followed by Israel imprisoning 350 Palestinian militants, followed by Hamas launching rocket attacks against Israeli civilians from Gaza.

    That's the problem, isn't it - whatever any side does in this conflict, it's easy to find justification for it if you only go back fast enough in history. There are more than 2000 years of history there, full of conflict between the various ethnic groups. If anyone wants to find justification for current atrocities, it's always easy to point to atrocities previously committed by the other side.

    That said: do you really believe that Hamas wild simply cease its terrorism, its atrocities, its rocket attacks, kidnappings, torture, murder and simply decide to live in peace with Israel if the blockade were to be lifted tomorrow?




  • See, that's the problem, though: you're already presuming that people who don't simply go along cheering facile, generic solutions like "why don't the Israelis just help the Palestinians" - as if things were that easy and as if that thought just had never occurred to a single person in the past 70 years of murderous conflict - must be insincere.

    So for the record: no, I'm being sincere. Bombing innocent civilians in Gaza is very obviously objectionable, and indiscriminate bombing is a war crime.

    At the same time, I can acknowledge that Hamas is a terrorist organization which just committed the largest terrorist attack in the history of Israel, committing unspeakable atrocities and murdering hundreds and hundreds of civilians in Israel.

    So with that premise established: what would be some realistic ways for Israel to help Palestinians in a way that would make Hamas go away and end that particular threat for Israel. Because that's the proposition: that the terrorist threat from Hamas could be ended if Israel only helped the Palestinians instead of bombing them, correct?