• HughJanus@lemmy.ml
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    1 year ago

    "Us" the people who pay taxes and are hypothetically responsible for paying for UBI.

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      1 year ago

      Unless you're politically well connected or have nine figures in the bank, you aren't wielding significant power to make systemic changes.

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          You know that UBI is cheaper than policing the problems that runaway wealth disparity causes, right? UBI also means that employers cannot easily exploit workers with the threat of destitution, meaning that wages, including yours, go up. It also makes society more pleasant as people with prospects turn to drugs or crime less frequently.

          The only people UBI doesn't benefit, is the absurdly wealthy. Your myopic worldview has you voting against your own interests.

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            No, I don't know any of that.

            Maybe you'd like to explain who and why people would choose to work when they entirely don't have to?

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              Same reason people have hobbies… they like doing things.

              What your concern really should be is, who would work for an asshole like you when they don't have to. The answer is they won't, get fucked.

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                Same reason people have hobbies… they like doing things.

                LOL your hobbies are not work…

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                    Possibly, but they wouldn't do it 8 hours/day by choice. Anyone who has made what they love doing into their job will tell you this.

                    Nobody picks up garbage for fun. Whos going to pick up the garbage? Who's going to wait tables? Who's going to be a nurse?

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              Maybe you’d like to explain who and why people would choose to work when they entirely don’t have to?

              Two reasons:

              1. UBI provides a baseline level of income to keep people out of poverty. But people tend to want more than just the basics, and deciding to work provides additional income for luxuries.
              2. People, in general, are inherently motivated to create, and will do so without the threat of death on the streets. Meaning people will still voluntarily work, only they will do so on their terms.

              But also, with the increasing levels of automation possible, human labour is needed less and less to fulfil our needs. We need to decouple being able to live from employment. Because the path we are currently on involves artificially increasing consumption and creating meaningless jobs to justify paying people enough money to live.

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                people tend to want more than just the basics, and deciding to work provides additional income for luxuries.

                Doubt.

                We need to decouple being able to live from employment.

                Well it's a nice utopian thought but not realistic.

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                  Doubt

                  What do you mean doubt? That people often choose to work more to afford more stuff is utterly uncontroversial. That's how the capitalist system is argued in favour of today.

                  On the other hand if you are admitting that capitalism forces people to labour under the threat of death, then it is an evil system, and morally must be eradicated.

                  Well it’s a nice utopian thought but not realistic.

                  Because of troglodytes like yourself. Here I thought you were asking in good faith. Serves me right.

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                    That people often choose to work more to afford more stuff is utterly uncontroversial.

                    No. It isn't. Some people? Sure. Many people already live off of welfare and already choose not to work.

                    Because of troglodytes like yourself.

                    The personal attacks are uncalled for…

                    Here I thought you were asking in good faith.

                    And now you think I'm not? Why? Because I didn't roll over and agree with everything you said?