I threw caution to the wind once and went through 4 rounds of interviews (already a red flag) only to learn the job paid, at best, $50k less than current. I laughed thinking it was a joke…it wasn't. Well, fuck off.
I also had a job tell me the range upfront, which was nice…but it was oddly large. Yup, you guessed it, the offer despite my impressive interviewing was $1k over the low end. I laughed and told them good luck on their job search.
I straight up told a job I won't accept less than X, and after all the rigmarole, their offer was $20k under. I told them it was disingenuous of them, a waste of everyone's time, and that I would be advising my network to never apply or work for them and hung up.
As soon a as company contacts you, ask the wage. They'll dodge the question, so you say "I notice you didn't answer my question about the wage, so what's the wage?" And you keep asking and they keep dodging until one of two things happens:
They say "we're looking for someone who is motivated by more that just money." And then you say "well people work for money, however I am also motivated by other forms of compensation like pensions and profit sharing."
They ask you to come in for an interview, and you say "I can't take the time to come in for an interview when you haven't even told me the wage yet."
It seems pretty clear you didn't need those jobs, so why are you playing along?
I'm not sure you read what I wrote? Sometimes they will spout the wage, but not adhere to it.
These were historic, nowadays I don't deal with it unless I just want to waste their time on purpose.
But you're right, I didn't need those jobs, but I'm always looking. I believe one should always be applying. There is no such thing as loyalty to one company - it doesn't typically pay off or work in your favor. In 5 years of job hopping I've tripled my base salary, that would never have happened staying put.
I don't think they "got played". They knew the situation and invested the time knowing that some companies are badly organized but actually pay reasonably. Then after determining that these companies were no good, they bailed. Should they have bailed earlier? Maybe so, but it's a gamble either way. Everyone has to use their own instincts based on their individual situations.
I loathe employers that don't do this.
I threw caution to the wind once and went through 4 rounds of interviews (already a red flag) only to learn the job paid, at best, $50k less than current. I laughed thinking it was a joke…it wasn't. Well, fuck off.
I also had a job tell me the range upfront, which was nice…but it was oddly large. Yup, you guessed it, the offer despite my impressive interviewing was $1k over the low end. I laughed and told them good luck on their job search.
I straight up told a job I won't accept less than X, and after all the rigmarole, their offer was $20k under. I told them it was disingenuous of them, a waste of everyone's time, and that I would be advising my network to never apply or work for them and hung up.
Fuck these game playing companies.
See the problem here is you let them play you.
As soon a as company contacts you, ask the wage. They'll dodge the question, so you say "I notice you didn't answer my question about the wage, so what's the wage?" And you keep asking and they keep dodging until one of two things happens:
They say "we're looking for someone who is motivated by more that just money." And then you say "well people work for money, however I am also motivated by other forms of compensation like pensions and profit sharing."
They ask you to come in for an interview, and you say "I can't take the time to come in for an interview when you haven't even told me the wage yet."
It seems pretty clear you didn't need those jobs, so why are you playing along?
I'm not sure you read what I wrote? Sometimes they will spout the wage, but not adhere to it.
These were historic, nowadays I don't deal with it unless I just want to waste their time on purpose.
But you're right, I didn't need those jobs, but I'm always looking. I believe one should always be applying. There is no such thing as loyalty to one company - it doesn't typically pay off or work in your favor. In 5 years of job hopping I've tripled my base salary, that would never have happened staying put.
I don't think they "got played". They knew the situation and invested the time knowing that some companies are badly organized but actually pay reasonably. Then after determining that these companies were no good, they bailed. Should they have bailed earlier? Maybe so, but it's a gamble either way. Everyone has to use their own instincts based on their individual situations.