• jordanlund@lemmy.world
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    7 days ago

    If people are in crisis they have already lost their autonomy. Society has a responsibility to keep them from harming themselves or others.

    • 2xsaiko@discuss.tchncs.de
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      7 days ago

      If it’s not you yourself who decides whether you are “in crisis”, what you want to do about it or whether you want to do anything about it at all, you do not truly own your own life. This is something incredibly personal and subjective that nobody else has the right to judge, or can even judge accurately in the first place, except for you.

      And yes, this includes the right to take your life.

      If you are not allowed the right to self-ownership like that, what it comes down to is someone else can imprison you because they don’t like how you express yourself. There is a huge power imbalance here, and you won’t be able to advocate yourself because you’re “insane” and “don’t know what you’re talking about”.

      If it’s not you yourself who decides whether you are “in crisis”, it will be used against people for simply refusing treatment for a mental disorder, for example schizophrenia. It will be used to silence “undesirable” people by the state who decides what counts as “in crisis”.

      Often, the conditions inside of a mental hospital are actively making the mental state of the people who are confined there worse, which is then used as a justification to hold them there longer against their will.

      This is abuse, it’s dehumanizing, it’s traumatizing. It’s unacceptable.

      This is a right that falls in the same category and is equally as important as, for example, the right to have an abortion. Which of course, is also under attack right now from people who want to control others’ lives, especially in the US.

      I’m not talking about someone harming others. Clearly that is different.

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        6 days ago

        No, it’s the people who respond to people in crisis who need to make that call, but it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to look at someone running down the street waving a sword to go “Yeah, they’re either off their meds or on something, they need help!”

        https://youtu.be/xrCVmR3dke4

        You reach that point and you have abdicated personal autonomy.

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          6 days ago

          I’m not talking about that, considering there is an argument to be made here that he is threatening others with these weapons. This wouldn’t be okay if he was clearly doing all this for fun either, would it.

          Besides, the video makes it sound like he’s homeless, living in that car. He himself says the weapons are to protect himself from the neighbors. He should be given a home, it does wonders for mental health when you don’t have to constantly worry about getting attacked by someone who doesn’t want you living on the street. There’s a high chance that would solve the problem.

    • girsaysdoom@sh.itjust.works
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      7 days ago

      If people are in crisis they have already lost their autonomy.

      Says who? You should defer drawing that line to the experts; who will likely agree with 2xsaiko. Not being able to perform your job or blend in with society is different from being a threat to others.