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    7 months ago

    There are probably a lot of people you love who require healthcare who are depending on that can being kicked further down the road until you have an alternative.

    I personally think we can support Palestine without throwing our trans and gay populations, our immigrants, and our leftists to the wolves.

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      That’s the thing. We aren’t getting an alternative. We’re getting fascism. Whether we slowly slide into it with the Democrats or speed run it with the Republicans we will have to deal with the issue.

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        obviously a slow slide gives people time to leave and it offers more chances for the fascist factions to cannibalize each other. From a strategic perspective you never go with the quick option unless you think you can win the fight quickly.

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          At this point I despair of winning this fight at all. As long as Amazon Prime Video keeps it’s ads short enough, most people aren’t even going to notice the cops turning ever more into a paramilitary force. The list of rights SCOTUS has broken for the cops during my lifetime is frankly amazing. Not one right from the 1st to the 8th is enforceable in our courts. You can’t even protest without getting beat by the police. That fact alone should have the entire country in the streets.

          We’re already hemmed in, the alarms are already going off and the collective response is to just vote for the guy who lets the fascists organize for a few more years. We’re already fucked, the goose was cooked in 2020 and we couldn’t see it because Obama did actually try and none of us imagined Biden would just… not.

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            7 months ago

            If you think Trump is going to save a single Palestinian, I hope you succeed in getting him elected.

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              We just won’t read about it any more.

              “And the other thing is I hate, they put out tapes all the time. Every night, they’re releasing tapes of a building falling down. They shouldn’t be releasing tapes like that. They’re doing, that’s why they’re losing the PR war. They, Israel is absolutely losing the PR war,” Trump said.

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          No. This isn’t what we have, this is what the wealthy elite have. We’re not making do, we’re drowning. We’ve been drowning. But everyone ignored the warnings so here we are.

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            7 months ago

            humans have been making do with much less than what you have for hundreds of thousands of years. making do also does not necessarily exclude political action

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              That’s right up there with, “better clean that plate, there’s starving kids in China!”

              It’s that very history you mention that tells me it’s time to stop supporting weak Democrats. Either we get someone strong enough to pull us back from the abyss or we’re already fucked. This story has played out time and again from the Roman Empire to Post Colonial Africa. The compromise guy is put in charge and the authoritarian runs him over.

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            … so let’s just speedrun it?

            years ago, i lived in a community where someone had spray-painted the dumpster. it said something like “tear it all down and start over.” i endorsed that at the time.

            now i am way too invested in way too many people to see it go down like that.

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      Honestly not sure the situation for immigrants is that much better under Biden. Especially with the immigration bill from earlier in the year they tried to pass and the It Could Happen Here episodes about the border conditions under Biden. At least during Trump’s term there were news reports and people were more active giving aid.

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          I’m glad Biden ended family separation and has increased electronic monitoring over detention. Unfortunately, tons of people are still in abusive privately run immigration prisons. Many are dying during border crossings. Plenty of kids who immigrated are laboring in meat packing plants.

          Biden continues many of Trump’s awful policies, but because he does it in a quieter, more respectable tone he receives less backlash. The lack of support people get from us is stark and the abolish ICE movement has withering away.

          Both these situations are bad. I think my point is less about the election and more that we collectively should do something about these conditions. Mutual aid, volunteer, harass a representative, just something.

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            You’re forgetting about the year and a half long open border policy after Biden repealed Title 42, while pressing Congress to do their job and enact immigration reform. The only reason he restricted immigration was after receiving pressure from sanctuary cities. The president shouldn’t be enacting Executive Orders to control the border. That is a direct result of the failure of Congress.