cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/948960
Archived version: https://archive.ph/6s6zn
Archived version: https://web.archive.org/web/20230802050406/https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/german-supermarket-seeks-charge-shoppers-true-environmental-cost-2023-08-01/
Yeah don’t put the costs on the billionaires and corporations or anything, just keep blaming the lower class and putting the cost on them.
The thing is that capitalism wants to keep customer costs high for environmentally better products and services so they aren’t the primary option in the illusion of choice given to people.
Have any more of those conspiracies where you are from? What else are “they” controlling?
Seriously right now the cost is higher because of economical scaling not being nearly as efficient with better products since there isn’t enough demand.
Meat replacements got much cheaper in the last 5 years because they managed to scale better because more people kept buying them and they likely could go even cheaper but apparently people wouldn’t trust replacements under a certain price point (but somehow they don’t have a problem buying pork for even less money)
Could you explain the absurd high price of oat milk to me? I mean oat is cheap af, water is cheap af and the infrastructure to produce and package is already well established. But still, oat milk is compared to what it is insanely expensive…
If you look closely you’ll see that investment firms like black rock, vanguard or staat street have their fingers in and in part control over almost all global companies. And evan without that fact - maximizing profits and growth - is kind of the main mantra of the global economy.
Saying scalability is the main factor for higher prices and capitalists controlling prices would be a conspiracy theory seams very shortsighted and, sorry, uneducated to me.
look up subsidies to milk-producers
the price is still high compared to milk because milk is selling for far less than it should be (even if you completely ignored environmental cost) and many oat milks try to match that price-point as good as they can and are even selling at a loss (see Oatly)
a lot of food is costing very little in comparison because the government is subsidizing it - shifting subsidies away from meat/dairy would make them cost more and potentially bankrupt local farmers - I just don’t see that every happening with how many people are thinking they have a right to eat meat every day
also for example in Germany there are two tax-brackets for sales-tax the standard 19% or the reduced 7% - “basic-foods” are taxed at 7% and that includes milk and meat while oat-milk and meat-replacements are taxed as “special food” at 19% so that’s also a barrier that you just can’t break down by scaling better
there are a lot of levers but pretty much all of them will have to result in meat and milk prices rising deliverately because of politicians - don’t tell me that you believe that this won’t result in a fundamental shitstorm against them…
german supermarkets are so fucking cool man. they also have an insanely wide selection of vegan products
Are the vegan products ridiculously expensive like they are here?
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not at all, you can get a liter of oat milk for 70 cents in germany (~0.77 usd)