It’s going to be such a fantastic 4 years with Donnie after watching D’s tear themselves apart ignoring Biden being great and just being completely unrealistic and unreasonable with reality.
You don’t prevent genocide by letting the guy who can’t be convinced anything is a bad idea win instead of the guy who can.
If both options were reasonable then ok, let the other guy win as a matter of principle, but right now the alternative is way worse and won’t help with your cause either.
Don’t be stupid. Trump is going to demand they nuke and pave Palestine and he’ll open a string of Trump resorts for free as his reward. Think that’s unlikely? Please. We’ve got a ton of receipts. He’s 1000 times worse than a Biden administration. So cut the GRU bullshit.
If “Young Progressive Activists” were actually serious about stopping a millenia-old conflict on the other side of the world, the point of entry is their representative and senator. Do they even know who that is? Representatives pass legislation to require (cease-fire, aid, reparations, whatever) or no more money. That’s what they say they actually want.
Magical Santa President is a child’s cartoon. And the conversation of this constant BiDeN gEnOcIdE train is a sad hEr EmAiLs argument in design and purpose.
When did the USA adopt a system where voting independent or third party when you lean left has any influence and prevents the Republicans from taking power? Unless you were planning to vote Republican and will vote for someone else?
No, it’s your phrase that didn’t make sense as you said not voting for Trump while also not voting for Biden, learn to express yourself clearly and then start sharing your opinion.
At its heart, voting is choosing the least-worse option.
Our best case is being able to repeat this until the criminally-bad options are gone and we only have good options to choose from, but while life expectancy and objective happiness is far, far below what it should be for such a rich nation, you know we have some heavy evolution ahead.
Voting in a First Past the Post election system is like this. If we can switch to another system like the Single Transferrable Vote, we can get better results.
And not voting ends up being support for more genocide
Just as I said, your logic works in a situation where either options are reasonable OR, I would add, if there’s more than two options and governments are made of coalitions so you can vote for someone that will influence the party with the most vote to move in the direction that you want so they can form the government.
These people would be hypocrites if they didn’t vote for him as letting Trump win means more genocide as he’ll do nothing about Gaza and leave Ukraine to fend for itself whereas a Democrat can at least be convinced to change his stance.
If Biden wants their votes, he needs to break with the pro-genocide centrist wing of his party and stop supporting genocide. I know this will bitterly disappoint every last centrist Democrat, but you can lecture them that they can’t always get everything they want and that they need to vote blue no matter who.
You’re right, the PotUS is a completely powerless position, Biden literally can’t do anything! He’s forced to put support bills offering aid to Israel, to fast track weapons to Israel ignoring congress, to have his Secretary of State protect Israel in the UN.
The President is such a completely powerless position, right?
He actually structured the deals in a way that they didn’t meet the minimum dollar amount for congressional oversight, which is mind bendingly illegal.
I forgot he decides that in all in a magical bubble!
Biden did not need to circumvent congress to sell Netanyahu weapons that he knew would be used for genocide. No one would have blamed him if he didn’t, and no one was clamoring for it.
Apart from you and Netanyahu, who would have been disappointed if Biden’s administration hadn’t abused the US’ permanent veto on Netanyahu’s behalf?
We know what it’s costing Biden. What would not doing it have cost him?
You could also stop pretending Joe Biden is a supporter of genocide, but you won’t.
If you truly believe a genocide is happening to the Palestinian people, bullying democrats out of voting for Biden does nothing to help the Palestinian people.
If you want to support the Palestinian people than you should engage in the democratic process and get the democrats to force Israel into a cease fire and lay the groundwork for two states.
Joe Bide directly supports Israel. Israel is openly committing genocide. If you think Joe is NOT supporting genocide, you are literally so stupid as to fail to observe ONE DEGREE of separation. You are too stupid for this discussion, full stop.
All you people full stop claiming genocide aren’t doing anything for the Palestinian people, you are just bullying people you suspect are Joe Biden supporters and telling them to exit the discussion.
I hate to say its coordinated, but I haven’t ever seen more coordinated behavior in an online community before.
I’m doing a hell of a lot more than Joe Biden simply by not handing Israel bilions in weapons.
I love how all you fucking morons pretend I have ANY obligation like the fucking PRESIDENT has. Stop expecting more of random citizens than you expect of the PRESIDENT. It’s beyond pathetic. Stop being so pathetic.
I am sorry to assume you did nothing. I assume you have gone and marched with previously doxxed neo Nazis in the city nearest you under the guise that this is a pro-Palestine movement and not an anti-Biden one.
If you had any tactic but bullying leftists who disagreed with you, you would have used it already.
You could also stop pretending Joe Biden is a supporter of genocide, but you won’t.
If Biden stops supporting genocide, I’ll stop saying it.
If you truly believe a genocide is happening to the Palestinian people, bullying democrats out of voting for Biden does nothing to help the Palestinian people.
It’s a good thing I’m not doing that. I’m saying that Biden needs to stop supporting genocide.
He hasn’t stopped selling them weapons. He’s still running interference for them at the UN. That’s support.
The US has treaties with Israel that to the best of my knowledge Biden can’t just unilaterally end without repurcussion.
The opposition (Trump) has called for Israel to finish the job.
So if you want to character ize the guy with the stance of a 2 state solution as being the genocidal option, go ahead, but it’s just so ridiculously naive.
The US has treaties with Israel that to the best of my knowledge Biden can’t just unilaterally end without repurcussion.
None of those treaties require him to circumvent congress to sell weapons for genocide. None of them require him to run interference for Netanyahu at the UN.
The opposition (Trump) has called for Israel to finish the job.
And as always, if anyone is in any way critical of Biden’s support for genocide, it’s because they must be a Trumpist.
So if you want to character ize the guy with the stance of a 2 state solution as being the genocidal option, go ahead, but it’s just so ridiculously naive.
Both of them support genocide. I want Biden to stop. I doubt you do.
Aiding an ally in time of war as per the treaties while working towards a ceasefire and two state solution?
Not only do you guys want Biden to be a war time president, but you specifically want him to wage war against Israel, and then you guys get offended when its pointed that the only people in the world this would benefit is Russia and Qatar/Iran.
It’s going to be such a fantastic 4 years with Donnie after watching D’s tear themselves apart ignoring Biden being great and just being completely unrealistic and unreasonable with reality.
It’s going to be such a fantastic 4 years with Donnie after watching D’s tear themselves apart ignoring Biden being great and just being completely unrealistic and unreasonable with reality.
. . . So you think not enabling genocide is unrealistic and unreasonable with reality?
The bar here is pretty low, stop sending Israel weapons and money, stop defending them in the UN, and stop saying you support them.
You don’t prevent genocide by letting the guy who can’t be convinced anything is a bad idea win instead of the guy who can.
If both options were reasonable then ok, let the other guy win as a matter of principle, but right now the alternative is way worse and won’t help with your cause either.
Okay so if this guy can be confined genocide is a bad idea, when exactly is that going to happen?
I didn’t think it was so challenging, but I guess Biden really struggles with this choice?
You don’t win votes by convincing people the other guy’s worse. Full stop.
Stop celebrating Democrats making TERRIBLE political moves by failing to condemn terrible political moves…
Don’t be stupid. Trump is going to demand they nuke and pave Palestine and he’ll open a string of Trump resorts for free as his reward. Think that’s unlikely? Please. We’ve got a ton of receipts. He’s 1000 times worse than a Biden administration. So cut the GRU bullshit.
If “Young Progressive Activists” were actually serious about stopping a millenia-old conflict on the other side of the world, the point of entry is their representative and senator. Do they even know who that is? Representatives pass legislation to require (cease-fire, aid, reparations, whatever) or no more money. That’s what they say they actually want.
Magical Santa President is a child’s cartoon. And the conversation of this constant BiDeN gEnOcIdE train is a sad hEr EmAiLs argument in design and purpose.
And you don’t improve things by letting the worst option take power by your inaction.
No one has said they wouldn’t vote against Trump. Why do you assume every vote has to be FOR Biden?
Not every vote has to come with an ass kissing, you sycophantic dipshits.
When did the USA adopt a system where voting independent or third party when you lean left has any influence and prevents the Republicans from taking power? Unless you were planning to vote Republican and will vote for someone else?
How is it so confusing to understand that someone can still vote for Biden while not wanting to vote for Biden?
You’re all literally too simple to understand how personal morals work, apparently. Sad.
No, it’s your phrase that didn’t make sense as you said not voting for Trump while also not voting for Biden, learn to express yourself clearly and then start sharing your opinion.
At its heart, voting is choosing the least-worse option.
Our best case is being able to repeat this until the criminally-bad options are gone and we only have good options to choose from, but while life expectancy and objective happiness is far, far below what it should be for such a rich nation, you know we have some heavy evolution ahead.
Voting in a First Past the Post election system is like this. If we can switch to another system like the Single Transferrable Vote, we can get better results.
If Biden doesn’t want to lose the votes of people who oppose genocide, he should stop supporting genocide.
Of course, he should also stop supporting genocide because it’s genocide. But I guess he’d rather lose than miss out on being a part of it.
And not voting ends up being support for more genocide
Just as I said, your logic works in a situation where either options are reasonable OR, I would add, if there’s more than two options and governments are made of coalitions so you can vote for someone that will influence the party with the most vote to move in the direction that you want so they can form the government.
Neither options apply to the USA at the moment.
I’m voting for Biden. I also know that if he wants the votes of people for whom genocide is a dealbreaker, he needs to stop supporting genocide.
These people would be hypocrites if they didn’t vote for him as letting Trump win means more genocide as he’ll do nothing about Gaza and leave Ukraine to fend for itself whereas a Democrat can at least be convinced to change his stance.
Ok. So they’re hypocrites.
If Biden wants their votes, he needs to break with the pro-genocide centrist wing of his party and stop supporting genocide. I know this will bitterly disappoint every last centrist Democrat, but you can lecture them that they can’t always get everything they want and that they need to vote blue no matter who.
Then these people have no right to complain when things get worse.
You think preventing this country from turning into a dictatorship that is planning to commit genocide on LGBTQs and women her is a low bar?
You think supporting genocide is acceptable as long as it’s brown people in another country?
I think destroying this country, eliminates any possibility of stopping genocide anywhere else. But you seem intent on supporting genocide everywhere…
I don’t support genocide at all. It’s why I want Biden to stop.
By helping Trump get elected and ensuring the continued and escalation of genocide both in the middle east and here.
Hmm.
You can’t defend Biden’s support for genocide, so you pretend everyone who opposes genocide is a trump supporter.
I support the best chance for stopping/preventing genocide both in the middle east and here.
You don’t, it’s very simple.
Imagine being this indoctrinated into American exceptionalism.
I know I know he can just magically go dark Brandon and point to fix things up. The man has superpowers and he chooses to just sit there!
You’re right, the PotUS is a completely powerless position, Biden literally can’t do anything! He’s forced to put support bills offering aid to Israel, to fast track weapons to Israel ignoring congress, to have his Secretary of State protect Israel in the UN.
The President is such a completely powerless position, right?
He actually structured the deals in a way that they didn’t meet the minimum dollar amount for congressional oversight, which is mind bendingly illegal.
He doesn’t have to continue selling them weapons. He doesn’t have to keep running interference for them at the UN.
You should stop making excuses for Biden’s support for genocide.
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Biden did not need to circumvent congress to sell Netanyahu weapons that he knew would be used for genocide. No one would have blamed him if he didn’t, and no one was clamoring for it.
Apart from you and Netanyahu, who would have been disappointed if Biden’s administration hadn’t abused the US’ permanent veto on Netanyahu’s behalf?
We know what it’s costing Biden. What would not doing it have cost him?
You can’t defend Biden’s support for genocide, so you have to accuse people who oppose genocide of being Trumpists.
Of course, you could just say that Biden should stop supporting genocide, but I doubt that you want him to.
You could also stop pretending Joe Biden is a supporter of genocide, but you won’t.
If you truly believe a genocide is happening to the Palestinian people, bullying democrats out of voting for Biden does nothing to help the Palestinian people.
If you want to support the Palestinian people than you should engage in the democratic process and get the democrats to force Israel into a cease fire and lay the groundwork for two states.
Oh wait, that’s what’s happening already.
Joe Bide directly supports Israel. Israel is openly committing genocide. If you think Joe is NOT supporting genocide, you are literally so stupid as to fail to observe ONE DEGREE of separation. You are too stupid for this discussion, full stop.
This is the issue pointed out right here.
All you people full stop claiming genocide aren’t doing anything for the Palestinian people, you are just bullying people you suspect are Joe Biden supporters and telling them to exit the discussion.
I hate to say its coordinated, but I haven’t ever seen more coordinated behavior in an online community before.
I’m doing a hell of a lot more than Joe Biden simply by not handing Israel bilions in weapons.
I love how all you fucking morons pretend I have ANY obligation like the fucking PRESIDENT has. Stop expecting more of random citizens than you expect of the PRESIDENT. It’s beyond pathetic. Stop being so pathetic.
I’m just saying, the Palestinian people need a lot more from you than specifically waging a propaganda war against Democratic voters.
There are charities you could donate your time or money to, there are think tanks with the ear of the president who you could reach out to.
I don’t even agree with your usage of the term genocide, but feel like I have done more to help the Palestinian people through my own contributions.
That to me says something.
So you’re just assuming I do nothing otherwise?
Again, stop being so pathetic. You still expect more from citizens than the president. Stop being such a joke.
I am sorry to assume you did nothing. I assume you have gone and marched with previously doxxed neo Nazis in the city nearest you under the guise that this is a pro-Palestine movement and not an anti-Biden one.
If you had any tactic but bullying leftists who disagreed with you, you would have used it already.
Bye, babe.
If Biden stops supporting genocide, I’ll stop saying it.
It’s a good thing I’m not doing that. I’m saying that Biden needs to stop supporting genocide.
He hasn’t stopped selling them weapons. He’s still running interference for them at the UN. That’s support.
The US has treaties with Israel that to the best of my knowledge Biden can’t just unilaterally end without repurcussion.
The opposition (Trump) has called for Israel to finish the job.
So if you want to character ize the guy with the stance of a 2 state solution as being the genocidal option, go ahead, but it’s just so ridiculously naive.
None of those treaties require him to circumvent congress to sell weapons for genocide. None of them require him to run interference for Netanyahu at the UN.
And as always, if anyone is in any way critical of Biden’s support for genocide, it’s because they must be a Trumpist.
Both of them support genocide. I want Biden to stop. I doubt you do.
What does a 2 state solution mean? It means the Palestinian people weren’t genocided.
Do you not get that? Because if you don’t, this situation is clearly more complex than you ever begun to realize.
In this context, about as much as anything else Biden says he supports and doesn’t back up with actions.
I get what Biden’s stated position is. His actions say the opposite.
Which specific actions?
Aiding an ally in time of war as per the treaties while working towards a ceasefire and two state solution?
Not only do you guys want Biden to be a war time president, but you specifically want him to wage war against Israel, and then you guys get offended when its pointed that the only people in the world this would benefit is Russia and Qatar/Iran.
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Right here.
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I’m sure I’m reading it just fine.
Do you know why Nigel Farage came to stump for trump, and why trump called himself “Mr. Brexit”?
You’re big on following the money, I assume.
I know why you’re diverting.