If it was any other West Asian country doing this, the entire West would be denouncing them and taking action. But because its Israel doing it, this is fine.
Agreed. It's also frustrating that the labeling of anything anti-Zionist as anti-Semitism just gives actual anti-Semites the opportunity to claim their actual anti-Semitism is anything but.
I will never fault someone for standing up for their people. In fact, one has to admire the fact that this person put their money (and reputation) where their mouth is. We strongly disagree on the matter, but antisemitism has nothing to do with it.
A question, for me, is where is the same pressure from other players? Where are the mega rich Arabs and Muslims pulling their funding because somebody didn't put out a pro-Palestine message. Step up!
(although we should be careful not to be tricked into thinking all militants, including those giving orders, are religious extremists - reportedly Hamas' campaign on the 7th was ordered to take hostages and not kill civilians, and that the IDF basically implemented the Hannibal Doctrine against it's own civilians leading to significant friendly fire casualties [even as reported by an Israeli who was held hostage and later interviewed on Israeli news]; you can see how murky the waters get in a propaganda war).
Can you share some of the reporting behind this use of 'reportedly'. I have never seen this reported before though I am admittedly not reading everything.
It's difficult to tell if you believe it or not because you've referenced it within a larger point about how much confusion there is, but it seems like you believe it enough to repeat it. If so, what about the article makes you believe it or not?
The other, possibly larger, part of it is the fear of being labeled antisemitic. Antisemitism is a huge problem all over the world but Jews aren't to blame for what's going on - Zionist are.
No one. Jews everywhere will take a reputation hit from the public at large because Bibi pretends to speak for them.
I grew up in a Jewish neighborhood. I worked at a Jewish family business. I have lots of Jewish friends. And I've yet to meet a Jew who likes the guy…even the ones who support an Israeli state.
I think I support the idea of Israel because they've historically been a target of genocide but I recognize that it's not my land being given away to make it. It's the perpetual expansion if Israel that bothers me.
Zionists originally wanted a homeland and they got it. Now, Zionists want an empire. I'm pretty sure Palestine won't exist after this conflict. You give a mouse a cookie…
I'm so fucking mad that THIS is the reason people are saying congress needs to get it's shit together. Fuck you(them, not YOU). We shouldn't be sending aid to anyone over there right now. It's too messy and everyone sucks too much.
Representatives should be working 23.5 hours a day to get this country running again FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE. Not so they can approve more money to assist Isreal in killing more civilians. Fucking absolutely indicative of the fact that We The People no longer have representation in the government. O KY rhe 1% get representation now, and they want revelations to come true so bad they will throw money at the middle East until "it happens".
Fuck the government, fuck the police, and fuck all these toxic ass Christians. So tired of government sponsored domestic terrorism being normalized.
I'm not so sure, we're pretty self-absorbed in the west. I haven't heard anything about Kurds in Syria or Saudi Arabia and Yemen lately. There is also the Rohingya in Myanmar and the Uyghur in China, though they aren't located in West Asia.
Israel got blank check from rest of the world, Gaza residents will be punished and aint nobody gonna do shit. If Arab states won't do shit, what can we expect from anyone else.
Sucks to be a Gaza resident, but it is a small price to pay for jewish people to have their own country.
A fake story used as propaganda to manufacture consent for the genocide of Palestinians. Mainstream media and celebrities were repeating it blindly a week ago saying 40 beheaded babies were found
Well, Israel is bound by international law and is a (flawed) democracy. Doesn't excuse them from wrongdoing though, but it makes things more gray than black.
The rest of the nation's in the middle-east (or West Asia) are authoritarian nations that brutalize the population on occasion. Jordan in black September springs to mind as the Palestinians tried to overthrow the Jordanian rule and conquer it.
The entire issue here is that they aren't. They are openly committing war crimes in breach of international conventions and none of the self-appointed guardians of democracy in the West seem to be batting an eye.
"It's complicated" is double speak for "if I say what I think, you people will realize how shitty my views are, and I'm unprepared to back them up with rational explinatiom because i have none"
If it was any other West Asian country doing this, the entire West would be denouncing them and taking action. But because its Israel doing it, this is fine.
Because there are consequences of you go against the grain. It's all about money…always. Palestinians have little to no money and influence.
It's sad that this type of comment can be and is often spun as "antisemitism"
Agreed. It's also frustrating that the labeling of anything anti-Zionist as anti-Semitism just gives actual anti-Semites the opportunity to claim their actual anti-Semitism is anything but.
I will never fault someone for standing up for their people. In fact, one has to admire the fact that this person put their money (and reputation) where their mouth is. We strongly disagree on the matter, but antisemitism has nothing to do with it.
A question, for me, is where is the same pressure from other players? Where are the mega rich Arabs and Muslims pulling their funding because somebody didn't put out a pro-Palestine message. Step up!
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Can you share some of the reporting behind this use of 'reportedly'. I have never seen this reported before though I am admittedly not reading everything.
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It's difficult to tell if you believe it or not because you've referenced it within a larger point about how much confusion there is, but it seems like you believe it enough to repeat it. If so, what about the article makes you believe it or not?
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Arabs think of palestians as white trash cousins you don't want at your wedding…
Also, US keeping them on a short lease with arms sales
I have no idea if this is true or not but it seems like a gross generalization.
Irrelevant. I'm talking about individuals not governments.
Arab peoples and states behaviors speak for themselves.
Fact that most most of the aid for Gaza came from the west, should be indication enough about how other Arabs feel about this issue…
They are fine with palestiains suffering as along as Israel keep getting rockets.
the toxic sludge of racism + Islamophobia = support and empowerment for Israel to ethnically cleanse Palestine of Palestinians.
The other, possibly larger, part of it is the fear of being labeled antisemitic. Antisemitism is a huge problem all over the world but Jews aren't to blame for what's going on - Zionist are.
Yep. And yet Israel is giving the rest of the world more excuses for antisemitism. Who is even winning this "war," other than Bibi and his toadies?
No one. Jews everywhere will take a reputation hit from the public at large because Bibi pretends to speak for them.
I grew up in a Jewish neighborhood. I worked at a Jewish family business. I have lots of Jewish friends. And I've yet to meet a Jew who likes the guy…even the ones who support an Israeli state.
Agreed. I'm Jewish and have never supported Israel, but my parents do and even they hate him.
I think I support the idea of Israel because they've historically been a target of genocide but I recognize that it's not my land being given away to make it. It's the perpetual expansion if Israel that bothers me.
Zionists originally wanted a homeland and they got it. Now, Zionists want an empire. I'm pretty sure Palestine won't exist after this conflict. You give a mouse a cookie…
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Zionism is by definition a nationalist ideology.
So wait, the problem is the existence of Israel?
I read there was a protest on London recently
It's OK, they are others.
I'm so fucking mad that THIS is the reason people are saying congress needs to get it's shit together. Fuck you(them, not YOU). We shouldn't be sending aid to anyone over there right now. It's too messy and everyone sucks too much.
Representatives should be working 23.5 hours a day to get this country running again FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE. Not so they can approve more money to assist Isreal in killing more civilians. Fucking absolutely indicative of the fact that We The People no longer have representation in the government. O KY rhe 1% get representation now, and they want revelations to come true so bad they will throw money at the middle East until "it happens".
Fuck the government, fuck the police, and fuck all these toxic ass Christians. So tired of government sponsored domestic terrorism being normalized.
I'm not so sure, we're pretty self-absorbed in the west. I haven't heard anything about Kurds in Syria or Saudi Arabia and Yemen lately. There is also the Rohingya in Myanmar and the Uyghur in China, though they aren't located in West Asia.
Have you not heard about the beheaded babies?
Israel got blank check from rest of the world, Gaza residents will be punished and aint nobody gonna do shit. If Arab states won't do shit, what can we expect from anyone else.
Sucks to be a Gaza resident, but it is a small price to pay for jewish people to have their own country.
what beheaded babies?
Settlers made up a lie about Hamas beheading 40 babies and tricked Biden into saying he saw pictures.
It was later corrected: he didn't see any pictures because there are no pictures.
Thanks. I do know about it, but didn't know whether @sadreality was being sarcastic or serious. & was trying to find out.
Sarcastic
Thanks. Sorry for doubting you, There are so many kooks out here that its difficult to make out.
A fake story used as propaganda to manufacture consent for the genocide of Palestinians. Mainstream media and celebrities were repeating it blindly a week ago saying 40 beheaded babies were found
Thanks. I do know about it, but didn't know whether @sadreality was being sarcastic or serious. & was trying to find out.
Well, Israel is bound by international law and is a (flawed) democracy. Doesn't excuse them from wrongdoing though, but it makes things more gray than black.
The rest of the nation's in the middle-east (or West Asia) are authoritarian nations that brutalize the population on occasion. Jordan in black September springs to mind as the Palestinians tried to overthrow the Jordanian rule and conquer it.
So, yeah, it is complicated.
The entire issue here is that they aren't. They are openly committing war crimes in breach of international conventions and none of the self-appointed guardians of democracy in the West seem to be batting an eye.
"It's complicated" is double speak for "if I say what I think, you people will realize how shitty my views are, and I'm unprepared to back them up with rational explinatiom because i have none"
I just pointed at a genocide perpetrated by Jordan, another west asian state. On Palestinians.
It isn't double speak, it is backing up a direct claim against the original claim.
Can't you read?
Has anyone informed Israel of this?