It felt like you kept trying to reframe what you actually said rather than admit to being mistaken. You bemoaned the choice of grey/white over black/white. I pointed out studies showing dark grey/white to be objectively better - and rather than say "mb I meant light grey specifically", you tried to BS about dark grey being rendered as light grey, and black always appearing black - based solely on your own experience. It's cool - I'm done. Have a good evening.
I mean, I wasn't mistaken, you drew false conclusions from what I said from the offset, then dug your heals in when I made it crystal clear what was meant, time and time again. Anyway.
You said grey/white causes more eye strain than black/white. I posted a study showing black/white is worse than dark grey/white, and you've danced around the whole thing ever since. But sure - I'm the one digging my heels in.
Yep, that's right, you drew false conclusions from the start, in that I was referring to the same shade of gray as in the study; which, incidentally, was far more focused on light background & dark text vs dark background & light text, than it was black text vs gray text, so it wasn't even really relevant to begin with.
"However, black text on white background represented a severe overstimulation of the OFF channels"
And yes, the study does refer to the opposite:
"while white text on black background overstimulated the ON channels"
And
"Note that reading white text on black background (ON stimulus, denoted in green) causes choroidal thickening while black text on white background caused choroidal thinning"
…
"Since choroidal thickness changes are precursors for future changes in eye growth, we expect that there will be selective effects on subsequent myopia development.
So black/white causes overstimulation (visual discomfort) and this could be causing future eye health problems.
This overstimulation is well known and understood and is why more knowledgeable web developers etc., understanding that too much contrast literally harms readability, choose something with slightly less contrast - like dark grey/white.
But you can go ahead and frame it however you like. If you're going to continue reframing and outright lying* then there's no point in having a discussion with you. You clearly have difficulty coming to terms with being wrong - which is really quite sad.
*You denied used anecdotal evidence for some wild, easily disproved, assertions (black is always always black), then confirmed a couple of comments later that this was based on your own years of experience - which I'm now strongly suspecting was also BS.
Yeeeah, I'll be honest, I've lost interest in this conversation a long time ago, you're adamant that you're right, even to the point of telling me what I meant when you misinterpreted it.
So yep fine, you must be right, I must be wrong.
Have a fantastic day in full knowledge that I completely, wholeheartedly agree with everything that you've said, and take back everything that I've said.
Gray on white, regardless of shade, is infinitely better than black on white. Atan said so.
You made a blanket statement about grey/white > black/white. I countered that dark grey/white is better.
Dark grey is grey. This is a clear counter example to your blanket statement - no misinterpretation.
You could have just corrected/refined your blanket statement, but instead you lied and bs'd about why dark grey is worse, and when that was called out you tried to make out that really this is all just my misinterpretatiom. Sure dude - whatever. I'm not gonna waste any more of my time arguing with someone that is straight-up dishonest.
I'm not gonna waste any more of my time arguing with someone that is straight-up dishonest.
I've tried to meet you in the middle when I said you had misinterpreted me but I could've been clearer, I've also brought the conversation to an end multiple times, but you keep telling me I'm wrong, despite the fact that YOU misinterpreted me from the start.
You're absolutely full of shit, acting like you won't waste anymore of your time. You're determined that there's no possible way you could be wrong, and you can't drop it, or you would've stopped when I stopped any of those previous times.
You should maybe speak to someone about your need to be right over people, because it seems clear you have something going on there that needs addressing.
Dude, you've been called out for bullshitting and caught in a lie - which is right there, for everyone to see - and you have no response, other than to say that I'm full of shit.
You never tried to meet in the middle. You just tried to reframe, once again, claiming I was misinterpreting you. If you really meant 'light grey', why did you bullshit about supposed issues with dark grey and 'black is always black' rather than clarify? Here's a guess: You knew you weren't misintepreted, but when your initial response was picked apart, you thought you could lie your way out - because the alternative was admitting to being wrong, and that's beyond your capability.
And no, I don't mind wasting some more time to set the record straight on a public forum. But since it's now clear to all that you've been arguing in bad faith all along, there really is no need to continue.
It felt like you kept trying to reframe what you actually said rather than admit to being mistaken. You bemoaned the choice of grey/white over black/white. I pointed out studies showing dark grey/white to be objectively better - and rather than say "mb I meant light grey specifically", you tried to BS about dark grey being rendered as light grey, and black always appearing black - based solely on your own experience. It's cool - I'm done. Have a good evening.
I mean, I wasn't mistaken, you drew false conclusions from what I said from the offset, then dug your heals in when I made it crystal clear what was meant, time and time again. Anyway.
You said grey/white causes more eye strain than black/white. I posted a study showing black/white is worse than dark grey/white, and you've danced around the whole thing ever since. But sure - I'm the one digging my heels in.
Yep, that's right, you drew false conclusions from the start, in that I was referring to the same shade of gray as in the study; which, incidentally, was far more focused on light background & dark text vs dark background & light text, than it was black text vs gray text, so it wasn't even really relevant to begin with.
Glad we finally agree!
It's right there in the study:
"However, black text on white background represented a severe overstimulation of the OFF channels"
And yes, the study does refer to the opposite:
"while white text on black background overstimulated the ON channels"
And
"Note that reading white text on black background (ON stimulus, denoted in green) causes choroidal thickening while black text on white background caused choroidal thinning"
…
"Since choroidal thickness changes are precursors for future changes in eye growth, we expect that there will be selective effects on subsequent myopia development.
So black/white causes overstimulation (visual discomfort) and this could be causing future eye health problems.
This overstimulation is well known and understood and is why more knowledgeable web developers etc., understanding that too much contrast literally harms readability, choose something with slightly less contrast - like dark grey/white.
But you can go ahead and frame it however you like. If you're going to continue reframing and outright lying* then there's no point in having a discussion with you. You clearly have difficulty coming to terms with being wrong - which is really quite sad.
*You denied used anecdotal evidence for some wild, easily disproved, assertions (black is always always black), then confirmed a couple of comments later that this was based on your own years of experience - which I'm now strongly suspecting was also BS.
Yeeeah, I'll be honest, I've lost interest in this conversation a long time ago, you're adamant that you're right, even to the point of telling me what I meant when you misinterpreted it.
So yep fine, you must be right, I must be wrong.
Have a fantastic day in full knowledge that I completely, wholeheartedly agree with everything that you've said, and take back everything that I've said.
Gray on white, regardless of shade, is infinitely better than black on white. Atan said so.
You made a blanket statement about grey/white > black/white. I countered that dark grey/white is better.
Dark grey is grey. This is a clear counter example to your blanket statement - no misinterpretation.
You could have just corrected/refined your blanket statement, but instead you lied and bs'd about why dark grey is worse, and when that was called out you tried to make out that really this is all just my misinterpretatiom. Sure dude - whatever. I'm not gonna waste any more of my time arguing with someone that is straight-up dishonest.
I've tried to meet you in the middle when I said you had misinterpreted me but I could've been clearer, I've also brought the conversation to an end multiple times, but you keep telling me I'm wrong, despite the fact that YOU misinterpreted me from the start.
You're absolutely full of shit, acting like you won't waste anymore of your time. You're determined that there's no possible way you could be wrong, and you can't drop it, or you would've stopped when I stopped any of those previous times.
You should maybe speak to someone about your need to be right over people, because it seems clear you have something going on there that needs addressing.
Dude, you've been called out for bullshitting and caught in a lie - which is right there, for everyone to see - and you have no response, other than to say that I'm full of shit.
You never tried to meet in the middle. You just tried to reframe, once again, claiming I was misinterpreting you. If you really meant 'light grey', why did you bullshit about supposed issues with dark grey and 'black is always black' rather than clarify? Here's a guess: You knew you weren't misintepreted, but when your initial response was picked apart, you thought you could lie your way out - because the alternative was admitting to being wrong, and that's beyond your capability.
And no, I don't mind wasting some more time to set the record straight on a public forum. But since it's now clear to all that you've been arguing in bad faith all along, there really is no need to continue.