• bobman@unilem.org
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    1 year ago

    Jeez, that should be the headline.

    "Facebook exposes messages that land a mom in prison for giving her daughter abortion pills."

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        1 year ago

        E2E is not enough. You can still be subpoenaed for Signal messages if they aren't auto-deleted. Just ask all the folks involved in the trump indictments.

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      1 year ago

      "Facebook exposes messages that land a mom in prison for giving her daughter health care treatment."

      Pregnancy is a medical condition with possibly lethal health risks and abortion is a treatment for those that don't accept those risks.

      Abortion is health care.

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        1 year ago

        Eh. I don't see why we need to use vague terms when we could use specific ones.

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          1 year ago

          Because people need to think of abortions access as health care. The same as cancer treatment, diagnosing illness, or getting stitches. And that starts with messaging.

          Abortion is health care.

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            1 year ago

            That's fine, but it seems disingenuous to use the general term 'health care' when you could be more specific with what that health care actually is.

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              I don't think it's disingenuous at all. It's treatment for a woman's health. Calling out people for disapproving of health care is half the point.

              Abortion is health care.

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                Killing a 6 month premie isn't abortion though. That fetus' bodily autonomy was violated.

                Agreed that abortion is Healthcare. There's also a tipping point where it's no longer a cluster of cells, right?

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                  First off, when you say "isn't abortion" it kinda sounds like you're talking about mythical post-birth murder, which doesn't happen and would be illegal. Not sure if you're talking about that or not, but I thought I'd preface.

                  Aside from that, when it's "viable" it's usually just induced labor. If it's not induced, there's a reason why they have to take more extreme measures.

                  Aside from that, if you give an inch they take a mile. I would rather doctors and their patient be able to do what's best for the patient's health than to let the government interfere.

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                1 year ago

                I mean, you literally said to call it by a general term to get people to think a certain way about it.

                I feel like we should tell them the specific information and let them make their own decision instead of resorting to sly tricks like this.

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                  It's not a trick. It's health care. People should think of it as health care because it is.

                  Abortion is health care.

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                    1 year ago

                    Alright. I don't think you're going to see my point so I'll just duck out.

                    Have a nice day.