like I said. the us isn’t some helpless damsel. we already have the world’s most advanced arsenal OVERALL Only thing aircraft wise is maybe chinass j35 but again.

we are already funding a genocide. in a much more unstable region mind you. the world is more complex than ‘fund new jet to prevent war!’ and again there are other ways we could modernized the arsenal rather than finding failure over bloated projects like the f35. btw the us is only recently landing f35s in the UK raining area F-35 fighter jets land in NATO-member Denmark to replace F-16s, some of … https://apnews.com/article/denmark-ukraine-f35-f16-fighter-jets-2470e553fd7211a02e5f50f8e787d213 so I doubt its had much impact on what putin does.

I think star link and elons antics weigh more than the f35s honestly.

and again Russia is a nuclear power. ultimately unless we can deal with that. the only way is to s9me sort of negotiation. not endless war lol. a new shiny jet is not the own you think it’s gonna be on putin. people like trump just say shit like that and you guys eat it up. reality is Russia has always been not at the same level as NATO led forces. however that STILL didn’t stop what is happening.

so many people were like it could not happen it would be dumb Russia doesn’t have the caabillity and yet they STILL did it.

so why the fuck are you coming in here like yea you don’t know what you’re talking about the f35 is actually exactly what we need to prevent this stuff. when all it would do at best is give us a slight more of an edge when shit inevitably hits the fan because you don’t deal with a fucking nuclear power by brandashing better jets. this isn’t fucking gta dude.

NATO in its current form could already deal with threat from putin. why the fuck do you think Ukraine wants to join? alliances and strategic diplomatic actions are how you deal with this not fucking jets while your people starve, end up homeless, and are unable to pay for healthcare or not having enough savings to cover a 200$+ accident.

like we need to pay more fucking attention here domestically dude. wake the fuck up.

okay bud since taking care of your working class doesn’t matter I hope you get misttreated at your job then some shut happens and you have no-one to turn to. it’s insane you would even insinuate that taking care of your populations needs and keeping workers happy isn’t something worth caring about holy shit.

you guys just love the boot on here or something it’s wild or maybe you guys are all like Harvard grad executives or somethin. so out of touch imo.

obviously you wanna keep your workers happy, obviously it doesn’t seem to be a priority at all and that’s okay with you guys lol. it’s so wild to me.

I’m just saying there’s way better needs to be met than hundreads of billions into a jet that still has plenty of issues even today

you guys getting so mad about that only proves how brainwashed we are its insane.

a jet won’t keep away ww3.we can improve our current forces without getting freaking milked bs constantly taking the worst part of the deal. also diplomacy is a thing maybe we should reply more on diplomatic charisma than military might… which by the way is not a ll the end all be all.

insane leaders will still do insane things. again we already have an insane arsenal that we should just be taking care of and putting money into rather than just abandoning it.

I’m just saying the way we spend on military is incredibly inefficient and unneeded -,-

literally I’ve linked to government sites of like government organizations that track shit like this like they even know they’re getting fucked and you guys are on here like white knighting the us govt it’s wild

and ww3 is gonna happen not from putin but from the insanely unstable conditions WE FUCKING CREATED (look up bitter lake… excellent documentary on this)

that is where instability and power (from oil money) is rn. not saying that we shouldn’t support Ukraine but just that its popular red herring rn. there is already a genocide going on… and we are funding it.

what? okay so we should just allow mistreating your working class then? wtf are you on about

also about ww3.yknow were funding isreal right? lmaoooooo.

how does china do it with a fraction of our defense budget?? it must be fucking communism if you ask any Westerner kill lol china also invests more in public services.

how many f35s being used in Ukraine rn?

oh yea nobody benefits from the people making their products being happier and healthier. lol this is you rn

in the latest one it explains literal ways we can still keep ourselves safe WITHOUT projects like f35.but I guess you missed that point?

ayeyeye

what are you talking about not every military spending is directly to war crimes but there’s certainly a correlation dude. how about you shut the fuck up and actually read the articles I linked instead of just yapping on incessantly

also my brother in Christ we support Israel which is genociding rn. we also genocided the native Americans and so I still don’t get your point. you sound so headass it’s funny. and yes putin may not stop with Ukraine but that’s because he’s putin. again he’s not gonna give a fuck about some jet. they have nukes bro. if he wanted to do some crazy shit he would. and a jets not gonna stop him. they have nukes. wake the fuck up we need proper diplomacy not another fucking jet get it through your head.

also your last ooo U is so fucking absurd. we can don’t need the f35 to modernize our defense resources we need to retire the older models we still use and upgrade to what we already can.

an ad again I ask you who is the us at threat from seriously? you’ll prolly sya like china or Russia when in fact it’s our own dumbasses and misappropriation that’s going to ruin the country. by not investing in the population duhh

once again. keep crying. jets are dumb ass shit we don’t need the f35s we would still have stu superiority. russias military is a joke compared to the current us arsenal what the fuck are you even talking about. f35 is dumb it’s a dumb ass project. also LM contract with the govt… and gets tax payer dollars so wtf are you even on about?

and again I would still say it’s a dumb ass project when we could be reinvesting that money directly back Into our country and building better roads and railways.

and if you’d have bothered to read nothing you pointed out in that Wikipedia copy paste is new info to the conversation I don’t care other countries are invested I to it. and also that’s only pure buying costs not maintanance and also retiring current jet fighters.

maybe you should read. gov articles I linked earlier.

I’ll end it again with fuck the f35 project there’s far far bettter things to spend that money on.

also your point about stopping putin is so silly. that’s a completely different budget. you do realize that ONTOP of this dumbass f35 project we still send money to ukraine?

and also wtf is your point putin is still invading. even with the f35 program? like what is it stopping. why do you guys think just adding more firepower will somehow magically stop conflict it’s wild. it’s a fallacy.

the jet is dumb we can roll it out it won’t change the amount of war because war is called by instabillity and there are other ways to fix that. we already have nukes as the ultimate deterannt a fucking jets not gonna have more sway than a nuke when it comes to hmmm which country am I invading. we’re good like a jet isn’t the end all be all to that. it’s whether or not you’re in nato.

dude we already have nuclear submarines and fucking air craft carriers like gtfo here with your MIC propaganda like we’re some defenseless maiden strolling through the woods without yet more BILLIONS going into this shit when people here are starving and burdened with medical debt and literally going homeless bro.

you need to fucking wake up

yea it's purpose is gettin lockheed Martin's CEO a new private jet maybe two 😂 and also crashing 😆😂😂😂

Jesus Christ we already have a big military wtf are you on about?

you're saying us doesn't already have a big military?!

https://www.pgpf.org/finding-solutions/national-security?utm_source=link&utm_medium=button&utm_campaign=lesson

also lets not forget. the gaudy buildings won't be used to commit yet more war crimes that get hand waved away. so imo I'll take the fucking buildings.

we need more gaudy buildings here every fucking city looks the same it's all surburbia fucking cars nightmare.

what are you talking about mate. I'm saying I want them to spend it on healthcare… on housing… on transportation and better infrastructure.

and by the way. I'd take the gaudy buildings over a fucking malfunctioning (a pilot just recently had to EJECT DURING A TEST FLIGHT) … expensive to maintain stealth jet (1.7 trillion JUST FOR THIS) when we already have the world's largest arsenal by far. which…btw what do you suppose we do with all the jets and arsenal we already have??? how is this not just us yet again over manufacturing. what war are we going to start next to justify this.

it's so sickening

https://www.pgpf.org/chart-archive/0053_defense-comparison

the amount of defense propagandists is honestly sickening on this thread. how about you guys roll this hard for things that actually help the people and not some malfunctioning stealth jet

when we could easily just don't omit selling our current arsenal. do you guys realize how vast out arsenal already is! how deep our ties are economically to our allies? that we make guns too that sell way faster than jets? like why are you so attached to a failing jet project?

it's honestly funny. and then I have all the like Lockheed Martin employees just down voting me because they don't wanna hear that their prize project is actually garbage and more 'justified' defense spending lollololol.

you guys are insane if you don't already think our current k military is more than capable. I'm so sick of this arms race bullshit. you guys are fighting a ghost at this point. f35s ain't gonna scare china. it's not gonna scare russia. it's just bs. and by the way… diplomacy is a thing too. sooo we could always try that.

I'm just saying we don't need another fucking jet. we just don't.

https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-23-106047

once again it doesn't even matter the project is still hundreads of billions over budget. also just the fact that we haven't spent the money yet changes nothing.

you lads don't like to differentiate when it comes to actually useful public spending like healthcare initiatives or education reform.

so why should I distinguish here? in fact you're right. that figure will likely INCREASE

keep coping. keep coping that its actually good spending and that its all a okay. keep coping while people die and can't afford healthcare. while logistics companies struggle on failing infrastructure

honestly this has to be a joke if you think it changes anything. smh

I'm done with this convo.

my point is that its fucking dumb pointing out uae when America does dumb things on a much larger scale. we deserve at least 10x edits lmap

also we use slave labor here as well. look into the prisons

you pointing out that 'actually we haven't spent the full 1.7 trillion yet… we're just 183 billion over budget rn and those are just lifetime costs is honestly so dumb and distinction that adds nothing else to the conversation and doesn't change the fact that literal air force pilots hate the damn thing and you guys are over here posturing endlessly

how is this site worse than Reddit lol.

also F-35 Fighter Jet Problems Affect the Whole US Military Aircraft Fleet https://www.businessinsider.com/ongoing-f35-fighter-jet-problems-affect-whole-us-military-fleet-2023-1?amp

F-35 Aircraft: DOD and the Military Services Need to Reassess the … https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-23-105341 F-35 fighter jets 'mission capable' only 55% of the time, watchdog report finds https://www.stripes.com/theaters/us/2023-09-21/f35-jets-crash-repairs-11446626.html

Not a Lot of F-35s Are Flying Right Now - Popular Mechanics https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a42912833/f-35-availability-problems/

Inside America's Dysfunctional Trillion-Dollar Fighter-Jet Program https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/21/magazine/f35-joint-strike-fighter-program.html

do I need to keep going? or are you going to try to keep gas lighting me into agreeing that actually you're right all the f35 spending is justified and its actually not just a collasal fuck up?