By your definition no closed source company can act responsibly. If that is your definition, they indeed don’t act responsibly, my point is that they appear to ship security updates for at least a decade after the device got released, which seems pretty decent. And they have a good record on quickly responding to any security issues and keeping everything up to date.

So they’re doing pretty good. Would it be nice if they go open source? for sure, but for a closed source system, it’s currently doing great.

I think it’s closed source indeed, but their support window is very long at the moment, so while you’re right, at least until now they’re actually acting responsibly.

But is that the fault of XML, or is the data itself just complex, or did they structure the data badly?

Would another human readable format make the data easier to read?

There are people who find XML hard to read?

Yeah, try that one in court. No your honor, i didn’t pay for the murder, i paid for someone who paid for someone to commit the murder. I’m obviously innocent!

It’s a plain stupid argument to try and make, and it makes no sense. And i’m not even vegan, i just recognize that yes, a part of the money i pay for meat goes to who kills it, so i pay for someone to kill animals for me so i can eat them. That’s how the world works, and denying that is just ridiculous.

What do you mean by forcing being the wrong word? Do you give the cat a bowl of meat and a bowl of vegan alternative for a month, and then see what the cat chooses? That would not be forcing imo. But i doubt that’s happening anywhere.

Ok, i get it, it’s fun to hate on the vegan, but he’s right and you’re not.

If you buy meat somewhere part of the price is you paying for the person that killed it. That’s obvious right?

Of course in relation to the cat, even if there’s a healthy vegan diet possible, he’s wrong imo. Why force our choices onto pets?

Let’s just say you’re right, it’s perfectly possible and healthy for the cat.

Does that make it ethical to force a carnivorous hunter animal on a vegan diet? Are you going to force it to stay inside to limit the possibility for it to catch mice & birds just to be sure?

Just beyond the physical possibility, how ethical is it to force our choices onto our pets?

I kind of hate this kind of narrative here.

Yeah, capitalism is shit etc… but let’s get to the real root cause: we’re all still animals, and want our pack to be the best. The root issue isn’t money, it’s power. Many societies wouldn’t mind degrowth if it didn’t mean all the others would bury them & dance on their grave.

If one single country would actually degrow, all the others would dominate it financially, loot it for all its worth, and unless it can completely 100% sustain itself without outside trade (pretty much impossible in our globalized society), it would mostly collapse. And even if it could sustain itself, the power imbalance would be so huge we’d run in all other kinds of issues soon (hey, why not just conquer that country that is pretty much powerless now?)

Imo we’re all just animals knowing we’re headed for extinction, but at the same time it’s a big game of chicken on the road, the first to stray from this path will get fucked in so many ways by all the others who see their chance to improve their situation… And imo capitalism isn’t the cause of that, but one of the results of this. It’s just another way for us to compete and try to fuck eachother over like the animals we still are.

So either we get to some near global agreement on how to get out of this situation, or we just keep doing far too little since… what’s the point of trying to improve things if it just means you get annihilated by those that don’t, and things will remain the same despite your best efforts…

It’s fascinating which angle you’ll take on next :).

Keep trying :)

It’s fascinating which angle you’ll take on next :).

Keep trying :)

It’s fascinating which angle you’ll take on next :).

Keep trying :)

It’s fascinating which angle you’ll take on next :).

Keep trying :)

Keep going, might end up having to write a little script to automate keeping you busy :).

Ah yes, now i’m thinking about you all day XD. It’s totally not me coming onto lemmy, seeing i got a notification and seeing you going another round of embarassing yourself :). But keep it up :). This is funny to see :). You’re persistent for sure :).

roflmao XD

You projecting you being upset onto me being upset XD. Yeah, i called you out, and now you’re trying every troll trick you know to weasel out of it and get the last word :).

And if you like being wrong and want to keep proving to me how wrong and childish you are, sounds like a great time :). Keep replying and keep trying all those troll tricks to not feel like you lost a discussion on the internet, i’m sure it’s worth it XD.

I must admit this has become somewhat amusing for me too, seeing which argument you’ll try this time to somewhat save face :).

Yeah, i’ve for sure become hostile after you attacking me because i dared to talk about something you didn’t find interesting on a public forum…

Dude, take the loss and stop talking. There is no both sides to this, you were an asshole to me for no reason and now want to keep talking to evade the shame of having been wrong. I’m sorry, you were wrong. Learn from it and let it go.

[citation needed]

But yeah, that’s the kind of discussion i’d love to see in more depth :). When would an AI be considered intelligent? It used to be passing the turing test, but now that’s being achieved the goalposts are moving, and that’s maybe for a good reason, but what will be the actual measure :).

Dude, just stop. You’re looking for things that aren’t there. Period.

I find it an interesting question whether it’s intelligent or not, and find it sad people throw out that question together with the rest of the hype. It’s not “my favourite word”, and i’m not projecting my hostility. You just can’t seem to handle someone bringing any bit of nuance to a discussion…

And me projecting hostility XD. yeahhhh… introspection isn’t one of your gifts it seems XD. I’m the one being hostile XD. roflmao XD. I mean just here “your favorite word”… wtf dude, exaggerate much to make yet another pointless jab at me?? I’m not allowed to find this an interesting question without you painting me as someone who fixates on that one thing in the world and makes it sound as if my world revolves around “AI IS INTELLIGENT!!!”… I’m not even convinced it is, but i find it a mighty interesting question that requires more thought than it’s getting.

Sorry for trying to argue something i find interesting on lemmy. I’ll just shut up next time and not try to bring up points you might not find interesting since you seem to take that as a personal offence, while you could have just shut up and let the adults have a nice conversation on the one interesting part of this hype.

Do you always change the topic to try and “win” online discussions? And act so unnecessarily hostile for no reason at all to people who want to have interesting online discussions?

I find the topic of whether it’s intelligence the most interesting part of this. It raises a lot of questions. That the current hype is ridiculous that a lot of the energy expended on it is a complete waste, and that most of the ways AI is used is beyond stupid isn’t even worth talking about, that’s just plain obvious.