nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]

It isn’t an endorsement. How is calling something “evil” an endorsement? If I said “I hate beer cheese and pimento cheese, but if I have to eat one, I’ll take beer cheese” an endorsement of beer cheese? As far as I can see, I just said I hated them both.

Because you don’t have to choose either. I’m not reading further, you’re just too silly and this is too fucking simple to let some chud drag me into it. You’re wrong, sucks, go vote for the lesser fascist and imagine you’re fighting the power or whatever. Buh byeeee

Seriously? I already directly addressed this in a reply to you.

This is at best, an outright lie. You want people to vote for the “lesser evil”, that is an endorsement of Biden and any other Democrat.

You are trying to play a game where you admonish people to vote for Biden but get to dodge the argument about whether he’s worth voting for. You endorse Biden but will not tackle his inadequacies because they’re inconvenient, so you act snide about it instead of addressing them. This is lying, but it’s understandable - his actions and the actions he has failed to follow through on are indefensible.

Anyway, I’m 40 and have voted most of my life until recently. I didn’t vote in the 2020 election and I won’t be voting in any other elections because I’m done voting for Democrats pretending to give a shit about anyone other than themselves.

Sophies choice is a binary. Voting isn’t. You have to make a case for the vote you want people to make. This is extremely simple shit.

Also, you are a liar.

All I said is that the other guy is worse, which means you vote to try to have it not be the worse one. That’s explicitly not a defense of any party. It’s an attack on them both. I’d repeat my initial phrase, but apparently even though everyone seems to think it means I’m defending someone, trying to drive it home has gotten me labeled a congenital idiot.

This is at best, an outright lie. You want people to vote for the “lesser evil”, that is an endorsement of Biden and any other Democrat.

And you’ve been misrepresenting me and jumping up and down on me ever since.

No, this is also a lie. You are a liar.

And nobody has presented me with a better option. They just keep calling me names, saying I’m repeating myself, and saying “they’re all the same” and “Biden bad!”

The better option is organize, instead of voting for the party you endorse but curiously refuse to defend. * or challenge

So please, for the next election, give me an action I can take that has some sort or hope of getting us all out of this collective shit show.

Organize, outside of the party that apparently you refuse to defend but think we should all vote for and get snotty and sneer about being questioned.

It’s very eye opening that “lesser evil” proponents are so cagey about the candidates they’re explicitly telling us to vote for. Genuinely curious what irrational mental space you’re in that you think you can browbeat people to vote for democrats but allow yourself to get offended when people say democrats suck ass and shouldn’t be voted for. Pick a side, you fucking weenie.

I want to be very clear: I used to be a reliable blue voter, for maybe fifteen years. That is behind me. Voting for shitbags who will never care about the poorest people in America is wasted effort, I will not bother myself to drive fifteen minutes to the rural voting station to endorse assholes whose only responsibility is to their big money capitalist donors.

You, a smart guy: you should vote for Biden because lesser evil

Me, a complete idiot: no, you should not

You, a very smart guy: NUH UH I NEVER SAID YOU SHOULD, I DON’T HAVE TO DEFEND THE PERSON I SAID YOU SHOULD VOTE FOR

If Biden weren’t partially to blame, then the Biden admin would have offered to restart the agreement with no changes. Instead, the Biden admin has demands for Iran to make more concessions to re-start the deal the US unilaterally terminated - a deal that Iran never violated. Biden is no better than Trump.

I tend to repeat myself whenit appears that my audience isn’t listening. You’re the third person who seemed to think that “lesser of two evils” meant “if one guy’s bad, the other guys good.” People in this thread keep acting like I’m happy with the Democratic party or something.

The irony here is you’re the one who seems to not be reading or comprehending us. Nobody’s saying you think one guy’s good, we’re saying voting for a marginally slower fascist is a stupid thing to give a shit about because it doesn’t even produce results.

So, since it seemed like you didn’t understand what I’d said, I repeated myself. I’m pedantic for the same reason: you’re either ignoring what I’m saying or don’t understand it. Either way, I apparently have to spell it out.

What you are saying is said by millions of people, you’re neither clever nor cutting new ground here. We all understand it, and we think it’s wrong. You might be exposing your intellectual shortcomings here that you can’t figure that out.

Nice use of the word “esoteric”. Did you find that in the word a day calendar this morning? It doesn’t really apply here, though, because nothing I’ve said is esoteric. It’s not arcane, obscure, or in any way difficult to understand. And I don’t think it is.

Now I’m really starting to think you’re a dumb guy deeply invested in pretending to be smart. Esoteric isn’t an unusual, special word - read a fuckin book.

I just think you’re either being intentionally obtuse to rile me up, or you really don’t get what I’m saying.

I disagree with you. Fundamentally. Grapple with the disagreement instead of trying to fake being high-minded or just repeating shit children understand.

Let me know how that revolution you guys are never going to have goes.

Nobody’s going to update a reactionary who can’t even allow themselves to directly consider arguments against their atrophied, ignorant worldview.

Roe was done for as soon as Trump won.

Why did Trump win? Did it have anything to do with the Clinton campaign choosing a pied pipe strategy where they boosted everything Trump did in the primary and ignored all the less fascist candidates? Do you suppose that continuing to use that tactic is good? The Democrats continue to use their donations to amplify the furthest right candidates in races, and they do not have anywhere near a 100% success rate in defeating those fascists they intentionally amplify. To make the point, money given to the DNC is, in some small proportion, money given to the RNC because the DNC would prefer to amplify worst case scenarios to improve their chances instead of offering GOOD CANDIDATES to entice voters. Supporting that is supporting the rightward slide of everything.

It was on life support, but people refusing to vote for the lesser of two evils pulled the plug.

That’s one way to see it - the same way the DNC paid pundits and managers see it, since it validates them. Another way to see it is, the Democrats steadfastly refuse to offer a better alternative.

Do your little protest vote or whatever the fuck. I’m sure it’s gonna do so fucking much.

You know that voting for Biden resulted in a worse world, and here you are sneering at anyone who thinks that was a waste.

edit: let’s address Obama, too - he had a fucking SC appointment, and instead of doing anything serious to seat a good candidate, he fucking punted on the assumption - the incredibly stupid assumption - that Clinton would win. Obama is why Roe is gone. So your vote for Obama was also a vote for letting Republicans pick a SC candidate. Can’t you connect the dots? It doesn’t matter how hard you vote for Democrats. They will always let the Republicans win, because they’re both paid by the same masters.

You’re not gonna accomplish any more than I am so I’m not sure why I cared enough to get worked up

one more edit: the distinction is you keep repeating shit everybody knows, whereas I (and other leftists) are trying to explain you to a new concept. It’s clear you’re not listening, but I’ll keep trying until you give up.

Maybe this is just happening on our instance, but your image was removed. Maybe a direct link?

Roe v Wade got overturned by a Supreme Court that was stacked by the Republicans during the previous administration you absolute waste. You’re literally arguing against your own point.

And what is your vote doing to stop that? Anything at all?

Oh, wait! You’re not actually reading anything I’m saying! You’re just shifting goalposts and regurgitating talking points! Holy fuck, it’s like talking to a communist version of my mother.

I’m reading what you’re saying, it’s just so dumb and trite it might as well be embroidered on a tea cozy

It’s amazing that despite knowing everybody, everywhere, already knows what “lesser of two evils” means, you still resort to just belaboring the point pedantically to repeat what everybody already knows. I’m sure you think you’re very clever, but your tactics suggest you find basic knowledge to be esoteric and worth repeating over and over.

Until that “true change” you’re talking about happens, I’m not willing to sit by and let women, immigrants, minorities, and LGBTQIA+ people get fucked over even worse than I am. And fuck you if you are.

Did you vote for Biden? So you voted and still got roe v wade overturned. You voted and Biden has continued the staggering majority of Trump’s inhumane border policies. You voted, and we’re one well-timed court case away from the SC overturning gay marriage. Congratulations, the better guy won and all the same shit happened.

You don’t seem to know what “lesser of two evils” means.

Yes, they do, they were trying to explain to you that it’s a scam and only serves to move the nation to the right. Everybody understands “lesser of two evils” we’re all browbeaten with it our entire lives.

You’re responding to the user who refuses to spend five minutes reading a reply, I think you’ve misplaced your estimate of intelligence or reason.

My landlord doesn’t know shit about what I launch from his territory

Someone not involved in the operation and also not even from Russia doesn’t really matter, particularly not a shit talker like that motherfucker says all kinds of crazy shit

Then say that next time rather than proposing a wager determined by the deaths and maiming of thousands?

lmao, calm down liberal

also your link is bad

“let’s bet money on a conflict with bodies piling up” is not a sentiment I would expect from a leftist