I’m confused now, are you saying that the current trend is to move out of cities or to the cities?

Fair enough, my point was more that people that just assume that mortgage payment is X and is less than rent therefore I’m am being robbed aren’t looking at the whole picture, or aren’t being honest.

I think there can be some middle ground. Obviously speculation is pushing up both rent prices and the cost/availability of houses to buy. There are some interesting options, I like the idea to only allow residential property to be bought by physical persons - regardless of whether that’s for living in it or as an investment it would put a damper on prices sky-rocketing.

Corporations trust funds and so on can still go mad on commercial property. Offices, malls and warehouse are not a necessity and let the market decide, I think that could be a win win. Feasibility of this in various countries would obviously vary but I’m sure something can be done.

I’ve also seen suggestions aroud limiting the number of properties one can buy/own. Interesting but more complicated to enforce and IMO not needed.

There are a few hot topics on lemmy and this is one of them. I think you did a good thing, I found that interesting and that’s what I came to this thread for.

I dislike speculation on housing but appreciate there are many reasons why someone becomes a land lord, and I have been the person renting from someone like you when I could afford to buy. I just knew I wasn’t going to stay in that city, I was getting a good service and am happy for what I paid for. And for how carefree that period of my life was.

Tankies are not known for appreciating nuances tho.

No no no you don’t understand you are just stealing from them even if they don’t want to buy. Everyone must have a house, there should be no landlords nor renters. /s

Fellow home-owner, not a landlord. Not in the US but I think things are comparable.

Your mortgage repayments are less than what you were paying in rent, okay. However, do you feel that is a reasonable comparison?

Do you pay some sort of insurance? Property and or council taxes, rubbish removal, water and other things that you probably didn’t even know existed before becoming a home owner?

Do you know that your roof has and average life span of 30 years? Unless yours is new, you’ll need to start thinking about it at some point, and it can be pricey, together with all the rest of planned and unplanned maintenance that comes with owning a place.

Not really defending everything the person you are replying to said, but I think this topic too often gets simplified to monthly rent vs monthly mortgage repayments.

The electronic device you used for typing all that crap? Probably slave labour. That’s before looking at the power you wasted to do so, and it’s origin. Virtue signalling much?

This is lemmy. You are no better than musk or bezos for doing that you filthy capitalist.

You should do you open source work hungry, naked and in the cold while someone is whipping you. Like all the virtuous 14yo tankies that are downvoting you certainly do.

/s in case it’s needed

but charging $1300 rent on a property with a $1000/mo mortgage isn’t unreasonable.

No it’s just stupid. With those $300 dollars difference a landlord would need to cover insurance, property taxes, regular maintenance like replacing roof every 30 years, unplanned maintenance like a pipe bursts or aircon breaks. On top of that someone needs to act as the property manager/handyman so either the landlord takes that phone call on a Friday evening for the pipe that is gushing, or is paying someone to do that.

Tenant moves somewhere else and the place is empty for a couple of weeks, no income.

Oh and when you are done with all the above, depending on the country, those $300 count as income and get taxed (rightly so) so it’s not really $300.

BTW I don’t like landlords, I am not one. I rented most of my life until recently as a choice, been able to move to a new city or country at the drop of a hat. Haven’t had to do maintenance and I’m only learning that now. Of course I paid for someone else doing all those things, and taking all the risks for me.

But lemmy users seem to have a thing for over simplifying things and decide what is and isn’t excessive based on somethig that comes out of their ass. $300 dollars in this case.

Quite the opposite, western stock markets are highly regulated. What you saw was probably high frequency traders making a transaction that they were not allowed to make. Depending on markets and contracts they have very tight rules they need to adhere to, things like how many orders they can place in a day or in a second, how many they can cancel etc. If they mess up the transaction could be reversed and they’d regret doing so - mistake or not. Depending on the offence they could face fines or hours/days not allowed to trade (ie shitloads of money). These things DO get enforced.

If they just make a mistake, they have to suck it up, someone doesn’t get their bonus that quarter. There is no rollback button.

Lemmy is particularly bad when it comes to topic like landlords

Agreed. Emergency services stations are all within minutes from my place in the outskirts of a small town, so is the hospital. The community is awesome.

Isn’t that reason return to office policies though, and the majority of people would happily leave the city life behind if they were not forced to go back?

Appreciate you are answering a question and each one of us has their own preference but not sure you can say most people agree with yours.

ITT a breath of fresh air. I am not alone in having an interest in personal finance, and understanding the basics of it.

Most of my interactions on lemmy so far have been making me feel guilty (and downvoted) for saving some money like I was a dirty billionaire, and to invest in index funds, using capital to further oppress the masses.

In Australia, at least at the beginning, bnpl services managed to bypass all money lending regulations based on the fact that they don’t charge interest. I know that there were discussions about fixing that but haven’t been following the topic in a while.

Like the other person, I also assume you meant lenders, not borrowers. Lenders WANT people that are terrible with their finances. Visa makes very little with me paying off my credit card in full every month, just some merchant fees. On the other hand plenty of Australians are in constant credit card debt and pay something like 18-22% interest on the money they borrow.

Good on the Dutch government to try and control that.

We both know that stuff will never be used again!

I think the answer is in your first sentence, personal finance literacy. At least in my case reading about it, learning the basics (six months expenses emergency fund, pay credit cards in full every month, invest in ETFs…) and understand other people’s strategies is all it took. Hate to say it but I owe reddit one for all that knowledge.

Ah the person that complains they had to tap into their investments because you need to periodically get a new bed and redo your deck and can’t save money. Yes I got downvoted for providing basic personal finance recommendations there!

I think the problem is a combination of the things you mention, and the fact that society is just normalising stupid spending, waste of resources and spending everything you earn, if not more.

When on reddit, I was active on personal finance subs. The amount of people asking for suggestions on how to improve their budget that didn’t see anything wrong with 10-12 subscriptions for shows and music, on top of astronomic phone bills, eating out etc was crazy. At least they took the first step, wrote down their expenses, and were asking for help. The bed/deck guy was just pure madness.

Indeed, and once she deletes the bnpl app, she’ll use credit cards to buy useless shit like she prolly did before.

I think me and you have been successfully clickbaited though, the journalist looked for such an extreme example to cause outrage, have the article linked on various aggregations, and be discussed.

You are right, but you are going against the narrative of to this post, hence all the downvotes from the angry mob.