• 0 Posts
  • 17 Comments
Joined 1 year ago
cake
Cake day: July 3rd, 2023

help-circle
rss








  • As an uninvolved party, after reading the thread, I understand that you feel frustrated and misunderstood. But I’m sorry to say that I feel like the failure of reading comprehension was on your part more than theirs.

    It seems like the majority of people who responded to you argued that there are not two evils, but two parts to the same whole evil.

    No one, that I saw, claimed you were saying that the Democrats were not evil. But the disagreement was that you see the Republicans and Democrats as two evils, while your opponents see them as one.

    Whether or not you agree, that seems like a logically coherent belief to hold.


  • Having skimmed the original paper about the trolley problem, I think what the author was trying to illustrate was the difference between direct and indirect harm.

    If you redirect the trolley, you’re not trying to kill the man on the other track. You’re trying to save the five on the first track by directing the trolley away from them. While the other man may die because of this, there’s always the possibility he’ll escape on his own.

    Whereas if the judge sentences an innocent man to death, that is choosing to kill him. The innocent man MUST die for the outcome the judge intends. So there’s culpability that doesn’t exist in the trolley scenario.

    In one case you’re accepting a bad outcome for one person as a side effect, in the other you’re pursuing it as a necessary step.





  • It was a breath of fresh air after the disappointment of Discovery and proof that there are people who still believe in Star Trek’s optimistic vision of the future. I think for that reason I and many other fans gave it a pass for a lot of it’s flaws.

    My biggest problem is that I feel the social commentary is rather poorly done. I’ve gotten into some nasty fights on reddit for saying so.

    I’ll start by saying what I think it does well. It’s good at humanizing people who live in an oppressive society and portraying their point of view.

    But the ideas it discusses aren’t especially original or insightful. The world building doesn’t exist to support them. The Moclans might be a fine allegory for trans and intersex issues, but they only work as an allegory and make no sense at face value. And they’re portrayed inconsistently to allow whatever kind of episodes the writers want.

    I feel like one issue is that McFarlane does not share the ideals of Star Trek. I don’t get the impression that he sees the value of non-interference, for example. But nevertheless, the Union believes in it because the Federation does. Politically, he’s a more conventional thinker than the classic Star Trek writers.


  • I definitely agree about the messaging. The Orville’s idea of social commentary is: here’s some aliens that built their society around a thing we don’t like for no reason, they’re total dicks for no reason, therefore the thing is bad.

    The Moclan gender issue has been praised as an allegory for trans and intersex issues. But my problem with it is it ONLY works as an allegory. Their society makes no sense at all taken at face value, and has been portrayed inconsistently depending on what point the writers want to make. Why would a naturally hermaphroditic species adopt the human concepts of “male” and “female” in the first place?

    I do like the show. It’s entertaining, and a sincere attempt to recreate what worked about Star Trek in a way that Disc and Picard weren’t. But the social commentary is just not well done. The Orville writers aren’t visionaries or philosophers on the same level as the classic Trek writers.