• Nibodhika@lemmy.world
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    1 day ago

    Don’t use SteamOS as a desktop OS, that’s not what it’s meant to. You might be used to Windows and think that a different distribution of Linux is just a different customization of the OS, but it’s almost an entirely different OS that happens to run the same binaries.

    If you’re interested in getting an alternative to Windows, try some beginner friendly Linux distros on a Virtual Machine or an old laptop. I recommend Linux Mint to newcomers, but if you’re used to the desktop mode on SteamOS maybe Kubuntu. The closest you can get is Bazzite but that’s also not a desktop OS so I wouldn’t use that unless it was for a Steam Machine. The second closest (that’s also somewhat beginner friendly) is Manjaro K DE version, but being Arch based I don’t tend to recommend it to new Linux users, but of you’re dead set on getting something as close as possible to SteamOS that’s it.

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      it’s almost an entirely different OS that happens to run the same binaries

      What?

      As far as I know, it’s literally just an immutable build of Arch Linux.

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        1 day ago

        Yes, for you and me who understand what that means it’s just the same, but for someone with no Linux experience is going to be very different. Googling any issue he has will direct him to alter config files or install packages, neither of which would be permanent on SteamOS, while the OS is the same the usage of it is completely different, so for a person with no Linux experience to try to use it as their daily desktop system it would be frustrating because none of the help online would apply to him.

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        24 hours ago

        Isn’t Bazzite an immutable OS with very limited package availability outside of gaming? At least that’s what I remember from a while back. If so it’s an excellent distro for getting a Steam Machine just like ChimeraOS, but I’m not sure it would be a good experience for someone just getting into Linux, since most of the help he will get online will direct him to edit config files which would get overwritten on update.

        For example, say the person wants to install Skype, or something that is not in the graphical UI store on Bazzite. Most guides they would find for Linux would tell him to add a PPA, or download a .Deb, or if he manages to find something that works it would be to download an RPM and they would need to redo it every update, or they could find a guide on how to install it via flatpak (but for that they would need to know what flatpak is) or snap (and go into a lot of troubleshoot figuring out why he doesn’t have snap). We take a lot of Linux knowledge for granted, but people using it for the first time won’t know all of this.

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          Isn’t Bazzite an immutable OS with very limited package availability outside of gaming?

          Nope. It’s basically Fedora Atomic with a lot of special sauce to make onboarding as pleasant as possible. Especially if you want to use it for gaming; be it as a HTPC/console or on desktop. Thus, like Fedora Atomic, you’ve got access to many different package managers to get your needs covered. Heck, Bazzite and its uBlue siblings actually improve upon Fedora Atomic in this regard (at least by default). Refer to this entry in its documentation for the finer details.

          but I’m not sure it would be a good experience for someone just getting into Linux, since most of the help he will get online

          We’ve all been faulty of this (read: searching on the internet), but we should instead consolidate Bazzite’s documentation first. Only after it isn’t found there, should one consider going to their discussion platforms; be it their own forums or their Discord server. Searching on the internet is IMO a no-go, especially if one isn’t well-versed yet.

          will direct him to edit config files which would get overwritten on update.

          This doesn’t apply to Fedora Atomic. Perhaps you’re conflating this with SteamOS.

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            My experience with Bazzite is very limited, so I appreciate the corrections. Since you seem to know a lot about it let me ask you a couple of things:

            • Bazzite is immutable, right? I’m sure I saw that somewhere and Fedora Atomic is also immutable IIRC

            Assuming it is immutable:

            • How does the config changes not get overwritten? The whole point of an immutable distro is to prevent changes to files to ensure things keep working
            • How are packages installed? The docs you sent recommend flatpak, which while very good in theory still has a small fleet of apps available. Also they suggest using distrobox among other things, that’s definitely not beginner friendly, although an interesting concept for an advanced user to have your main machine be an immutable host to any system you want.

            Regardless of that, yes one’s first intuition should be to go for the docs for your distro, but we know that’s not the case and that most people will just Google their problems with Linux in front because we keep telling them that all distros are the same (which they are, once you know what you’re doing).

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          I see what you mean. But I’m a Linux beginner myself and found that their package manager has everything I need. I’m guessing it’s the one from Fedora as it was the same when I installed Nobara last year.

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        Cool, so did I a while back, what’s your point? It’s still not a great replacement for Windows as it’s not the intended use of the OS, and will be frustrating for someone without Linux experience.

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          I don’t want a replacement for windows and steam OS is about as intuitive as Linux gets. If it’s too complicated for someone they probably shouldn’t be using Linux.

          Some of us legitimately want to build a gaming PC around steamOS. Stop telling us what we do or don’t want. Stop treating people like they’re tech illiterate because they’re not doing what you would do. I have 3 different distros on 3 different machines running right now - I know what I want and i know what steamOS can/can’t do. You do you.

          SteamOS even now is a decently capable desktop OS. If you want more than gaming as the central focus then sure look elsewhere. But you’re just being obnoxious and condescending about it.

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            If you want more than gaming as the central focus then sure look elsewhere.

            That’s exactly my point, OP talked about replacing Win 10 desktop, not about a gaming machine (for which I agree SteamOS is an excellent choice).

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              They just said desktop use. Not a wholesale windows replacement. You can’t use current steamOS as a desktop outside of a steamdeck.

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                24 hours ago

                Exactly, they said desktop use to replace Windows that is more than gaming, by your own phrase:

                If you want more than gaming as the central focus then sure look elsewhere.

                They should look elsewhere.