A guy playing video games 6 hours a day is probably okay with it, but it’s not contributing anything to society.
Unlike profitable activities like manipulative marketing, unnecessary and polluting industry, and meaningless busywork?
Oh and yeah, mobile game developers. Whale-catching sure is a huge contributor to the rest of us, right? It's so much better that they're putting 8 hours a day into catching whales/addicts, than wasting time just chilling. Right?
My argument, since you need it clarified, unlike the majority; A lot of work doesn't contribute to society. We might as well let them not work.
Saying "You need to work no matter what no matter how!" with our policy decisions and then hoping people will pick something important has so far led us into a civilization of extreme over-production of useless goods, successfully marketed to easily manipulated apes. A civilization of high pressure/intensity and low focus. The amount of stress experienced in video game development studios is a ridiculous example of this culture of ours.
Additionally, I have personally been told by an instructor at a metalworking/welding shop that it's a huge part of my job to ensure I'm not replaceable, that is my priority. And automation/efficiency will only hurt me by making me and my time less valuable, and I should not pursue it. That kind of cynicism frankly makes me completely disinterested in continued participation.
My comment got downvoted to all hell by a bunch of Marxists who don't understand how an economy works… which is not surprising in the least.
Look, my point is fairly straightforward. The idea that automation will do all the jobs and people will just sit around and do nothing all day is nothing more than a thought experiment. It's a sci-fi idea. Not in the sense that people will have to work no matter what, but in the sense that's not how automation or society works. We will never reach a point where we max out on what kind of work can be done and therefore we can automate all of it away. There will always be a new chapter that's slightly more advanced than the last. I think we can agree that new technology should be used to benefit society as a whole, but we're not going to have an economy based on hobbies any time soon. While automation gets rid of jobs, it also creates opportunities for new jobs to take place. We've already gone through automation revolutions before. We already know how the cycle goes. New technologies get invented, those technologies get put to use immediately, the people who's jobs it is replacing will get angry and riot/protest, they will end up losing and having to either find a new trade or elevate their skills to remain in their trade. Basically, the economy becomes more complex. We may not have lamplighters, human computers, or ice cutters anymore, but thanks to the advances in technology we do have brand new jobs like software engineers, social media managers, or animators. When we look at the past, we can see constant change. There's no reason to think that will stop with this current wave of automation. I think the economy will just shift to a new phase.
The new jobs you mentioned, social media managers and animators are unnecessary bullshit jobs. To the point they're as good as hobbies. They're trivial, and there's no reason for those jobs to be compulsory or high stress at all. Our treatment of those kinds of jobs is ridiculous.
It's time for UBI, a decent baseline, and then good compensation for actual important work.
People like yourself are responsible for the destruction of our life support system for trivial reasons.
The new jobs you mentioned, social media managers and animators are unnecessary bullshit jobs.
That's not up to you to decide. Your personal tastes on what a "real job" has no bearing on whether or not it is a job. There's clearly a demand for it, there are people who get paid for doing it, and there are people specializing in it. It's an actual job.
They're trivial
Social media managers are basically the new generation of PR. They advertise, spread awareness, and do community outreach. These core responsibilities have been a part of jobs for a very long time, it's just this job is adapted to a new medium where people gather.
there's no reason for those jobs to be compulsory or high stress at all. Our treatment of those kinds of jobs is ridiculous.
If you want to argue for better working conditions, protections, and rights then I would actually agree with you. But this brainless idea that jobs aren't necessary or that there will be a point where they're all going away is stupid. Societies can only function when their members contribute, and the current wave of automation is NOT going to put everybody out of work. Old jobs will automated away, new jobs will be created, and people will adapt to the advancing economy. This is the same it has been for the past automation waves. The idea that automation will do all the work and people have nothing to do anymore is literally nothing more than a pop culture sci-fi idea.
It's time for UBI, a decent baseline, and then good compensation for actual important work.
I'm not opposed to a UBI or better compensation. But this boomer mentality of "real jobs" is as myopic as it is ignorant.
People like yourself are responsible for the destruction of our life support system for trivial reasons.
I'm not responsible for shit. I'm merely pointing out that you're delusional fantasies about what automation and the economy don't actually reflect reality.
Unlike profitable activities like manipulative marketing, unnecessary and polluting industry, and meaningless busywork?
Oh and yeah, mobile game developers. Whale-catching sure is a huge contributor to the rest of us, right? It's so much better that they're putting 8 hours a day into catching whales/addicts, than wasting time just chilling. Right?
My argument, since you need it clarified, unlike the majority; A lot of work doesn't contribute to society. We might as well let them not work.
Saying "You need to work no matter what no matter how!" with our policy decisions and then hoping people will pick something important has so far led us into a civilization of extreme over-production of useless goods, successfully marketed to easily manipulated apes. A civilization of high pressure/intensity and low focus. The amount of stress experienced in video game development studios is a ridiculous example of this culture of ours.
Additionally, I have personally been told by an instructor at a metalworking/welding shop that it's a huge part of my job to ensure I'm not replaceable, that is my priority. And automation/efficiency will only hurt me by making me and my time less valuable, and I should not pursue it. That kind of cynicism frankly makes me completely disinterested in continued participation.
My comment got downvoted to all hell by a bunch of Marxists who don't understand how an economy works… which is not surprising in the least.
Look, my point is fairly straightforward. The idea that automation will do all the jobs and people will just sit around and do nothing all day is nothing more than a thought experiment. It's a sci-fi idea. Not in the sense that people will have to work no matter what, but in the sense that's not how automation or society works. We will never reach a point where we max out on what kind of work can be done and therefore we can automate all of it away. There will always be a new chapter that's slightly more advanced than the last. I think we can agree that new technology should be used to benefit society as a whole, but we're not going to have an economy based on hobbies any time soon. While automation gets rid of jobs, it also creates opportunities for new jobs to take place. We've already gone through automation revolutions before. We already know how the cycle goes. New technologies get invented, those technologies get put to use immediately, the people who's jobs it is replacing will get angry and riot/protest, they will end up losing and having to either find a new trade or elevate their skills to remain in their trade. Basically, the economy becomes more complex. We may not have lamplighters, human computers, or ice cutters anymore, but thanks to the advances in technology we do have brand new jobs like software engineers, social media managers, or animators. When we look at the past, we can see constant change. There's no reason to think that will stop with this current wave of automation. I think the economy will just shift to a new phase.
"…an economy based on hobbies…"
The new jobs you mentioned, social media managers and animators are unnecessary bullshit jobs. To the point they're as good as hobbies. They're trivial, and there's no reason for those jobs to be compulsory or high stress at all. Our treatment of those kinds of jobs is ridiculous.
It's time for UBI, a decent baseline, and then good compensation for actual important work.
People like yourself are responsible for the destruction of our life support system for trivial reasons.
That's not up to you to decide. Your personal tastes on what a "real job" has no bearing on whether or not it is a job. There's clearly a demand for it, there are people who get paid for doing it, and there are people specializing in it. It's an actual job.
Social media managers are basically the new generation of PR. They advertise, spread awareness, and do community outreach. These core responsibilities have been a part of jobs for a very long time, it's just this job is adapted to a new medium where people gather.
If you want to argue for better working conditions, protections, and rights then I would actually agree with you. But this brainless idea that jobs aren't necessary or that there will be a point where they're all going away is stupid. Societies can only function when their members contribute, and the current wave of automation is NOT going to put everybody out of work. Old jobs will automated away, new jobs will be created, and people will adapt to the advancing economy. This is the same it has been for the past automation waves. The idea that automation will do all the work and people have nothing to do anymore is literally nothing more than a pop culture sci-fi idea.
I'm not opposed to a UBI or better compensation. But this boomer mentality of "real jobs" is as myopic as it is ignorant.
I'm not responsible for shit. I'm merely pointing out that you're delusional fantasies about what automation and the economy don't actually reflect reality.
You choose to argue and act in favor of it.