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        Becuase russia and israel are causing seriouss issues currently.

        Before you do america too… Decent part of america was not larping the war either. It is shameful what we did in middle east for israels benefit.

        Hopefully never again but who are we kidding…

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          Before you do america too

          Yes this is the obvious cognitive dissonance that arises from my question. The US has invaded and bombed countries, couped countries, plunged millions into poverty and death, consistently for decades. Buy I don’t see any if you saying, “Fuck America” and trying to kick all Americans out of your spaces.

          The US is backing Israel’s genocide to the hilt righy now. It would not happen without American support that Israel depends on. And most European countries are backseat supporters if that agenda. Where is your bleating for villification of every person from all those countries?

          Decent part of america was not larping the war either.

          Which war? There have been so many US-bscked wars in recent years that I have no idea which one you would be referring to.

          But I am confused about the qualifier. Who had said anything about larping? This is collective punishment and chauvinism against all Russians.

          It is shameful what we did in middle east for israels benefit.

          Can I get a “Fuck America”?

          Hopefully never again but who are we kidding…

          Not just never again, it is happening right now, under Dems, with support of their candidates that is part of the admin doing genocide. Every pro-Harris post on this site is a tacit endorsement. Should we ban them?

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            Every pro-Harris post on this site is a tacit endorsement. Should we ban them?

            There it is, .ml maga losers raising their heads off the mud again

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              They keep bringing up how small the protests were and how they “ran out of steam” or w/e. It really shows how little they actually know about the US.

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                The protests against the War on Iraq represented a small percentage of the US population and ran out of steam in a few weeks.

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                    These are just basic facts about what happened. Liberals went home pretty quickly.

                    Just like how they did a pink hat protest, i.e. police-sanctioned march, and then went home for years.

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            Buy I don’t see any if you saying, “Fuck America” and trying to kick all Americans out of your spaces.

            Fediserve is US centric platform, nobody going to be saying fuck America.

            However, the sentiment here is pretty strong against the current situation both socio-economics wise and support for Israel… I don’ think this a mainstream opinion quite there yet but people getting wiser on these issues.

            I meant decent part of US population did not larp ME wars in early 2000s.

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              Fediserve is US centric platform, nobody going to be saying fuck America.

              You should be if you respect your own thoughts that you are sharing.

              Really, you are tacitly aknowledging what this really is: national chauvinism and Russophobia. Liberals taking their opportunity to be racist and xenophobic without being singled out as problematic.

              However, the sentiment here is pretty strong against the current situation both socio-economics wise and support for Israel…

              It is below the bare minimum, it is just slightly less jingoistic than in spaces curated by monopolies and staffed with literal feds. Pro-genocide discourse is strong here, it just hides behind electoralism discourse and feigned reluctance.

              I don’ think this a mainstream opinion quite there yet but people getting wiser on these issues.

              It won’t be a mainstream opinion in US-centric spaces without political education of such people.

              I meant decent part of US population did not larp ME wars in early 2000s.

              It was a very small part of it, really. Liberals rewrote their histories about their support for wars of aggression against Iraq and Afghanistan. They pretend to have been against it when they were actually part of their version of the “silent majority” and rampant islamophobia. The protests rapidly ran out of steam as Americans don’t even know how to fight against their state.

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                Really, you are tacitly aknowledging what this really is: national chauvinism and Russophobia.

                yes 🤡

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        Because Russia has invaded another country and is currently committing a genocide. Christ 🤦‍♀️

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          Russia is not committing a genocide. However, the US and Israel are have been invading Lebanon and Syria.

          Do you support removing all Americans from the maintainer lost? Can I get a “Fuck America”?

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              Russia is committing a genocide. By definition.

              Of course it is not. By definition. Russia is conducting a conventional war and with far less indiscriminate bombing than typical Western “interventions”. But it would be amazing to see your logic and then try to apply it consistently.

              And invasion.

              Like that of Gaza? Lebanon? Syria? Iraq? Afghanistan? Haiti? Are you consistent in your hate?

              And mass rape.

              There is no evidence of systemic mass rape by Russia in Ukraine.

              And a huge litany of human rights abuses.

              Well yes that is definitely true. But again, are you consistent in your hate? Because if the object is human rights abuses Russia is nowhere near the top.

              I don’t care for your whataboutism (a common soviet tactic, interesting).

              Inconsistency in pursuit of chauvinism is so common that one must regularly try to reorient the confused and biased framings. If you have this much vitriol for Russia and thr people in it despite other countries doing more and worse why do you not hate those countries and everyone in them just as much? It more?

              It reveals that, despite the pretenses and rhetoric, none of that really matters to you. It is just an excuse for getting to be chauvinist.