cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ndlug.org/post/1225458
Powered by the latest Linux 6.11 kernel series, Ubuntu 24.10 features the latest and greatest GNOME 47 desktop environment for the Ubuntu Desktop flavor with additional patches for Mutter and GNOME Shell to enhance stability and performance. In addition, the Ubuntu Dock now visualizes Snap refreshes and includes better handling for PWAs installed via the Chromium Snap.
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Under the hood, Ubuntu 24.10 comes with an updated toolchain that includes GCC 14.2, GNU Binutils 2.43.1, GNU C Library 2.40, LLVM 19, Rust 1.80, Go 1.23, OpenSSL 3.3, systemd 256.5, Netplan 1.1, and .NET 8. The Ubuntu Desktop installer was also updated with support for local file paths for autoinstall import.
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Ubuntu 24.10 will be supported for only nine months, until July 2025. If you’re looking for long-term support, you should download and install Ubuntu 24.04 LTS (Noble Numbat), which is supported until at least 2029.
Official Website: Ubuntu 24.10 (Oracular Oriole)
That’s why I moved back to Debian few weeks ago. I’m checking this thread and article precisely to see what I’m missing and… arguably not much. If it’s “just” updates of some applications without any meaningful change, I don’t really see the appeal anymore.
I greatly prefer Debian and run it on my home servers, but I want something more cutting edge than Debian for my work PCs but not quite as bleeding edge as Arch that I have to pay more attention to for my daily updates in case it breaks. I kind of end stuck at Ubuntu as I don’t want something obscure and harder for me to fix due to a smaller user base to crib solutions to common problems from.
I just use it as a relatively up to date, tested and supported base as I run Sway instead of the packaged Gnome, I disable snaps and all the other Ubuntu pro type garbage, even my Firefox is via PPA. Could I roll my own or use something else? Sure, but would I have the same trust over its reliability on the PCs that I use to pay my bills?
In what aspect? How about Debian Unstable?
I’m personally on Stable but I do also have some AppImages (and recently discovered AM https://github.com/ivan-hc/AM thanks to someone here), my own ~/bin directory and quite a few tools. I feel that there are very few things from an end-user standpoint that needs to done only through the distribution package manager. I believe having a stable OS but “cutting edge” specific apps (say Cura, Blender, etc) is a good compromise. As you mention Firefox over a PPA (which is also have I have) is such a good compromise. So I’m curious (genuinely, not trying to “convert” you to Debian on desktop) what is better on that front on Ubuntu rather than Debian.
Edit: to clarify I both pay my bills (literally, and work too) and play (including recent VR Windows only games) on my Debian stable on desktop.
Tumbleweed my dude.
I moved from Kubuntu to Tumbleweed and really like it. For some reason I really don’t like RPMs and that caused some hesitancy when I thought of switching, but really I never deal with RPMs directly. Zypper is ok and I’ve made peace with Flatpak. I update the whole distro every weekend and I’ve tested out reverting using Snapper.
In the year and a half of using it I can think of two problems I had from updating - one is fixed by removing the
GPUCachedirectory of an Electron app when Mesa gets updated, the other is with Zoom which I mostly fixed by moving to the Flatpak version.Debian used to be far behind, now they’re often on par with Ubuntu. The game has changed.
I switched to Debian KDE Plasma recently and I can barely tell there’s a difference except it doesn’t let Firefox be snap (yay) and Steam takes 5 minutes to install instead of 0 (meh).
Yeah, it went from old Ubuntu to Ubuntu - bullshit over the last few years.