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    Former congressman Harold Ford, former chair of the Democratic Leadership Council and banking executive, made a similar point on Fox. “I was an elite that supported you in 2020,” Ford said. “And said that we should do everything we possibly could do to advantage you against Bernie Sanders, because I thought Bernie Sanders’ politics were detrimental to the party and to the country.”

    Oh my gosh, universal, tax-paid healthcare, higher education, and increased worker protections. So detrimental. Things most of Europe and even our neighbor to the North handles just fine.

    And y’all think these people are still on the left in any way, shape, or form?

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    Good going. Let’s argue and divide the Democrats when it needs unity the most.

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          also because most of the terminally online far left agree with the far right. which is why most of them are transphobic and anti-immigrant af.

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                Do you know how theory works?

                You have to prove a theory true before you can say it’s a fact.

                Saying it’s a fact is misinformation.

                Like saying “Biden started the genocide in Palestine”. Might make you feel popular in your echochamber, but reality is at odds with the statement.

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                  Do you know how theory works?

                  I sure as hell know how gaslighting works.

                  I get that you’re just happy to pretend that anyone to your left is a Trumpist because it gives you an excuse to dismiss anything you don’t like.

                  You have to prove a theory true before you can say it’s a fact.

                  Saying it’s a fact is misinformation.

                  Ain’t a whole lotta room for “jeepers, it’s totally only a theory” here:

                  also because most of the terminally online far left agree with the far right. which is why most of them are transphobic and anti-immigrant af.

                  Which is straight up libeling an entire movement. There is NOTHING that says most leftists are transphobic or anti-immigrant. Not a goddamned thing. That’s not a ThEoRy, it’s a fucking lie.

                  Like saying “Biden started the genocide in Palestine”.

                  Which I’ve never said. I’ve said that he supports Netanyahu’s genocide. But hey, you’re not above some libel. You can just call it a theory after the fact.

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      We held our noses and voted for him despite everything we knew in 2020. What did that get us? A genocide halfway across the world.

      This time around I decided to believe Biden when he says he is a Zionist. He demonstrated it over 30,000 times so far.

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        I still remember on October 6th when Biden said “fuck all those Palestinians, murder them all.”

        It wasn’t because of the actions of a terrorist group that sparked a disproportionate response at all.

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          Collective Punishment is a war crime and against international law. So was the blockade and occupation of Gaza and the West Bank. Palestinians aren’t resisting out of nothing and their resistance is legal per international law.

          If this is the position most liberals hold, I see no reason why Arab and Muslim Americans should vote for a party that demonizes them anyways.

          Now we don’t know if Biden ever said that about Palestinians on October 6th but he did say it about Lebanese in 1982. So I know that he at least believes it and his actions show it.

          Begin said he was shocked at how passionately Biden supported Israel’s invasion when Biden “said he would go even further than Israel, adding that he’d forcefully fend off anyone who sought to invade his country, even if that meant killing women or children.” Begin said, “I disassociated myself from these remarks,” adding: “I said to him: No, sir; attention must be paid. According to our values, it is forbidden to hurt women and children, even in war. Sometimes there are casualties among the civilian population as well. But it is forbidden to aspire to this. This is a yardstick of human civilization, not to hurt civilians.” The comments were striking from Begin, who had been notorious as a leader of the Irgun, a militant group that carried out some of the worst acts of ethnic cleansing accompanying the creation of the state of Israel, including the 1948 Deir Yassin massacre.

          https://theintercept.com/2021/04/27/biden-israeli-invasion-lebanon/

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            October 7th wasn’t some great usurpation of settlers. It was another attempt at killing Jews because that’s what Hamas’ mission statement is you fucking idiots.

            Not saying Jews aren’t also trying to eradicate Palestinians.

            BOTH GROUPS ARE WRONG. STOP SUPPORTING ZIONISTS OR TERRORISTS.

            HAMAS CALL TO JIHAD;

            “The day the enemies usurp part of Moslem land, Jihad becomes the individual duty of every Moslem. In the face of the Jews’ usurpation, it is compulsory that the banner of Jihad be raised.” (Article 15)

            “Ranks will close, fighters joining other fighters, and masses everywhere in the Islamic world will come forward in response to the call of duty, loudly proclaiming: ‘Hail to Jihad!’. This cry will reach the heavens and will go on being resounded until liberation is achieved, the invaders vanquished and Allah’s victory comes about.” (Article 33)

            On the destruction of Israel:

            “Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.” (Preamble)

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      We are literally all arguing over if Biden needs to go or not and you call it an echo chamber? The left is as fractured as it has always been. It’s like herding cats. That’s one thing I like about it. The range of ideas.

      It’s the right that matches in lockstep behind their great leader no matter what. I’ll read some right-leaning article somewhere, and the next day, most of the right is regurgitating the same damn thing. Like the whole comparing trans people transitioning to lobotomies from the 50s? I can link you the exact article that shit all came from, because I’ve read it. They don’t have any original thoughts of their own.

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      Did you read the article? Apparently not. The title here is dumb and misleading to the contents. One person’s theory is not “Democrats”.

      The entire article reads like some sad right-wing hopium. Dumb as hell.