This stupid topic again
But sure
Just remember that during the 2016 election, the “If not Bernie, then Trump” bros turned out to be Russian interference.
I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s just Russia trying to split the Dem base.
Ever wonder why it’s rich media companies who are screeching from the rooftops that Biden is old and needs to step down, while AOC, Bernie, and all the actual progressives are standing behind him?
This is a revolt of the ownership class against Biden’s proposed tax hikes. Nothing more. And Leftists are falling for it hook line and sinker.
Two issues with Biden:
- A lot of people on the left disagree with his policy on supporting Isreal on Gaza.
- He’s acts like a senile old man when he’s communicating. Yes maybe he’s still clear headed. But the low information voter who doesn’t really pay attention to politics will see his saying “I trust my VP Trump” and automatically just vote for the person who doesn’t seem like they belong in a nursing home.
Lol no we are not. We’re just not able to justify supporting a genocide.
Reading these comments here, it’s obvious either 1. This thread is filled with shills or 2. Democrats have learned NOTHING from Hillary and are ready to score an own goal at the 89th minute.
This summary from the Independent necessarily cuts out a lot of the nuance of AOC’s points - I say “necessarily” because she spoke on Instagram for a full hour - and one thing that she seemed to emphasize - more than the “They don’t 100% support Harris either” point - is there there is very little time remaining in the election year to make any changes to the ticket. There are just weeks until the Democratic convention, and Ohio requires the names to be finalized even before that. She also emphasized that any change to the ticket, especially any late change, increases the chance that the presidency will ultimately be decided - if not by the bureaucracy of a swing state, many of which, like Ohio, are Republican-controlled - then by a legal case that goes before the (corrupt, she didn’t need to explain, although there were arch eyebrows at this point) Supreme Court, which is just not an ideal situation for democracy.
I’m going to vote Democrat.
Straight ticket.
Just like every freaking year because i’m too scared to vote Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communist Party.
Does anyone like Kamala lol
Maybe if she did something, we could have something to like about her
VPs have no job except to succeed the president and break ties in the Senate, along with presiding for a few ritualistic things. That’s really it. What do expect want her to do?
VPs have no job except to succeed the president and break ties in the Senate
sinister Cheney chortling
First Past The Post voting ensures that a good portion of the people voting for her do not want her. Same for Joe biden. Same for the Republican and democratic parties.
first past the post isn’t responsible for that. it’s a tactic called “strategic voting” and it results in the consolidation of parties under fptp. the solution is not to vote for people you don’t want to win.
Gold medal in mental gymnastics there.
it’s a clear-eyed understanding of what to do about party consolidation under fptp.
First past the post isn’t responsible for that. It’s actually because of first past the post.
- you
this is a straw man.
That’s not what that means.
I’m voting for the administration that will keep democracy alive in our country.
And it’s 🔵🔵🔵
doyee
Literally no one wanted Kamala in the primaries. Everyone knows she got picked as a token diversity VP and not because she was actually popular or anything.
She has a higher chance of losing than Biden. If we’re gonna axe the incubent, then you better open up some serious candidates, otherwise this will be a repeat of 2016 and no one will vote.
lol, token diversity VP! Racism and/or misogyny is so funny! let me guess, do you pretend to care about palestine too?? i bet you do! lol, what a comedian
Ugh. I agree that Kamala sucks, but I think it’d be a mistake to try to go with anyone else at this point. She has a pulse, a functional brain, lots of political experience, a long life ahead of her, and yeah, she’s made some terrible decisions and gaffs in her career, just like Joe Biden.
I don’t like that she was a cop, but Joe Biden chaired the Senate Judiciary committee for like 100 years, and got us Clarence Thomas, so…nobody has the moral high ground here.
We just need to win, and frankly I think if we try to go with someone new and untested, we’ll lose. We’ve been in a “lesser of two evils” situation for some time now.
There’s weeks left to go 'til the convention, plenty of time to run an actual primary if the DNC wanted to.
Ideally, yeah, but think about the logistics of pulling something like that off. And would it be a full primary redo? Like fresh ballots sent out to all dems? Or do you mean a mini primary just with the existing delegates? Because we already voted in the Democratic primary election…
I’m just really trying to be pragmatic about this, I can’t imagine a scenario where we pull this off and come out stronger. I would love to be wrong.
Saying a month is “plenty” of time to plan and run any kind of election on a national level is so ridiculously out-of-touch I read it back like five times thinking maybe it was sarcastic. Off the top of my head there’s booking polling places, securing & training staff, voting machines, ballots that need to make their way through the entire supply chain starting all the way back at pre-production. Mail in ballots alone usually go out like a month ahead of time to compensate for issues with the mail.
At this point in time, there’s a higher probability of Superman flying around the world backwards to rewind time and correct the gunman’s aim to actually hit Trump at that rally than there is of the Democrats being able to successfully pull off a second primary in a month. And that’s not even to touch the “coming out stronger” piece of it, which again, no chance in hell that happens with the kind of chaos a second primary would cause.
People live in their fantasies, where national primary elections are just a cut and paste affair that takes two days to set up.
The idea that elections take years is an artifact of our broken news cycle. England can call for snap elections and install a new government just 25 days later, and that’s England.
Um OK but surely they already have policy, processes, and infrastructure in place to successfully execute it within that time frame. There’s a big difference between being already set up for it and the Dems randomly deciding that they’re going to run another primary next week.
Probly just the superdelegates choosing in secret, like they threaten too if they don’t like the public vote. If their going to only be Democratic when it’s convenient, they might as well as course correct. I am for replacing Biden, but if they are even talking about it now they best get a move on. Apathy is gaining ground every second they are not at the wheel.
Probly just the superdelegates choosing in secret, like they threaten too if they don’t like the public vote.
Feeling free yet?
plenty of time to run an actual primary
Look at what a practical idea this is
As with other things e.g. Bernie Sanders as the nominee, there actually is a sensible option here, which is running a contested convention… it is highly notable to me that a lot of the people offering such constructive criticism on this topic are so studiously avoiding those sensible strategies when they are trying to “help”
I dunno, there are actually quite a few sensible and practical ideas in this thread, your thread, btw. Your post has elicited a good discussion, why throw shade on the people earnestly participating? If you actually want a contested convention, this thread is nothing compared to some of the wild shit that would go down in that scenario.
Because redoing the primary is an absurd idea
And I am, probably to an excessive and embittered degree, made cynical by the amount of open propaganda in and out of the media which is attempting to put out bad ideas on purpose to hurt the Democrats and help the fascists
And you’re not wrong. A contested convention would be a massive shit show which might doom the Democrats in the election irrevocably. But it might also produce a nominee with some kind of mandate, which would be nice. It would also be feasible to do, whereas holding another primary election would not.
But only Harris can keep the funds accumulated for Biden’s campaign, right? Wouldn’t make much sense to go for another candidate I think…
Given the source of most campaign financing in the USA, I’d actually prefer a candidate who refuses to touch PAC money.
“The only candidate I like is the one who has no chance of winning!”
Fucking leftists getting played like a fiddle by purity testing.
Yeah, “Purity testing” like asking for left candidates to actually be left and not just more center-right neoliberals.
You fuckers call everyone center-right. By your insane definition, the Democratic party is center right so you should stop demanding they put up a candidate that statistically no one in the country wants.
By your insane definition, the Democratic party is center right
That’s most of the world’s definition. America has a conservative party and a right-wing nutjob party.
If you don’t like facts, you’re going to hate it when I start pointing out policy differences between them and left-of-center parties. XD
Yep, I really do not like Harris, but in this context she’s the most realistic option and she’s slightly better than Biden on basically everything. Otherwise it becomes a battle against right-wing establishment democrats, and we have no more time for that really. Getting Biden out is hard enough.
The courts are bad now people think, wait till more seats are replaced.
People don’t understand what a big deal this is. Corrupting the trusted-by-tradition institutions like the courts is one way fascists can get the whole country in a chokehold.
Gunned down a bunch of BLM protestors? Eh, they were asking for it. Probation.
Climate change demonstration? 10 years
We’re already about 60% of the way there. It’s already happening that people are committing really major crimes and it’s okay if they’re on the right team.
VOTE
Please don’t just spray “VOTE” on the Internet. Everyone reading these is already almost certainly going to vote. If you really want to do something, go knock on doors with your local Dems, and in the fall, go talk to college kids.
Vote
Okay… I deserved that… But please do try to get out and talk to actual humans about voting… The people we need to show up aren’t on forums like this. They’re getting wasted at college parties, or watching sports 24/7, or whatever the kids are doing these days
Edit: on this forum you’re just preaching to the choir
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GIVE IT A FUCKING REST
The whole fucking front page is already filled up with this stuff
WE ARE AWARE OF THE BIDEN STEPPING DOWN THING
Don’t read it then? Use filters? Other people clearly do want to discuss it
Simply quoting op who hates when others do it
Yep… MAGA is having quite a day with it.
Dude I felt bad even posting these two
Because if the whole problem is “RED RED RED RED RED RED” overwhelming anything useful then “RED RED NO IT’S BLUE RED RED BLUE RED NO BLUE NO RED” is not really an improvement
But yes I did feel like both of mine were factually relevant and the minority report should be presented, and I anyway couldn’t produce any real percentagewise increase in the tide if I made it into a full time job and hired assistants
I had to block that one account that posted most of them, very sus to me.
Eh it’s not that bad. And simply quoting OP
As damning as it is to the US, the best bet for winning is a good-looking, smooth-talking white guy who will look presidential when compared with Trump.
Jon Stewart. He adamantly opposes the suggestion he run, which is exactly what we need. He’s got decades of experience in global politics, he’s likeable, got name recognition. And to your suggestion he’s a smooth talking attractive white man
He’s got decades of experience in global politics
It’s hilarious that people genuinely believe this.
the best bet for winning is a good-looking, smooth-talking white guy
Oh no, they’re trying to run Beto O’Rourke again, aren’t they? Dude’s going to come out on a skateboard playing the guitar and lose by double digits.
Ask anyone that wants to remove people off the ticket: Who should they be replaced with?
I haven’t heard a good answer yet.
Kelly, Duckworth, Whitmer, Newsom, Buttigieg, Warren, Franken.
You legitimately think the Democratic party will get behind any of these nominations enough to defeat Trump? I’d say most are considered more controversial than fuckin Hillary was.
I legitimately think that this was what you intended to reply with regardless of what I said, and I very much doubt you actually bothered to read it.
Seriously. This is a pretty mild list of semi-proven politicians with national recognition. Warren (or maybe Franken) are the only ones I can see being potentially controversial and even they’re both still broadly liked within the party.
Also, how does someone who’s not familiar with Kelly or Duckworth have a strong opinion about who’s controversial in the Democratic party? They’re not superstars, but you weren’t exactly digging up no-names.
It is extremely notable to me that the “get rid of Biden” is so HUGELY emphasized over “let’s figure out who instead”
It makes me look suspiciously at what would initially be the pretty sensible idea of subbing in someone younger
You look suspiciously at anything but blind unthinking worship of Biden.
If you’re gonna call me a bot, come out and say it instead of hiding behind vague language like a coward.
No one is calling you a bot.
We’re calling you a right wing agitator.
until he’s gone, every other name is moot.
I’d vote for AOC, tbh
I don’t want AOC to run yet. She’s got a long political career ahead of her and folks tend to bow out of politics after they’re president.
She would be an amazing elder statesperson after her time in office. I hope to some day see it.
Bruh, why are you getting excited about the idea of crusty old genocidal American beaurocrats who inevitably sell out? No US senator is a friend of mine.
AOC isn’t even in the conversation though. I think she’d face fierce opposition to even getting the nomination. She’s a pretty divisive figure.
She’s not old enough anyway, need to be 35 to be president, she’s 34
Downvoted for stating facts lmao
Why is he being downvoted for providing the correct answer?
Because it’s not correct, she would be 35 by the time she took office.
It is correct if you understand American politics. The candidates are officially nominated in August and she will still be 34 then.
The law says you have to be 35 to BE president, it says nothing of nomination. She would be fine by the time she was sworn in.
That’s not how it works Sonny Jim.
I will vote for any Democrat but I would prefer it not be Kamala
I never would have picked her. But the excitement and unity she’s inspiring in like 2 days time is undeniable. It almost feels like a bad tv show plot twist.
Moderate Democrats like Harris are like broccoli. Nobody really wants it, it’s not the highlight of the meal, but you need your veggies to get the proper nutrients to fight fascism. (Plus, if your diet has too little fiber you end up full of shit.)
Eat your broccoli!
I would vote for any viable candidate not Trump. I would prefer not Biden and not Harris. In fact I’d prefer a sane Republican… but there seems to be a distinct lack of them.
I’d vote for AOC though. She reminds me of the principled republicans of yore, albeit with different views
In fact I’d prefer a sane Republican…
This is a trap. Even with a “sane” Republican in office, the administration will still work to accomplish the policy goals of the GOP.
In fact I’d prefer a sane Republican… but there seems to be a distinct lack of them.
The three I can remember from the Trump years (Kinzinger, Cheney, and Romney) have pretty much been run out on a rail haven’t they? Republicans don’t want sane Republicans, and anyone who appears to be one is going to get ostracized within the party, or turn out to be just like all the rest.
They are walking around with bandages on their ears in solidarity with a man who immediately rushed to sell shitty Chinese shoes to commemorate and make a profit off of the assassination attempt which killed one of his own supporters. There are no sane Republicans. There are crazy Republicans, cowardly Republicans, and probably a few with Stockholm Syndrome. They let the inmates take over the asylum and there is no cleaning house now.
You would prefer a sane Republican but you praise AOC that is at the opposite end of the spectrum…
The thing I really admired about Republicans was that they had principles and held to them. AOC fits that bill. Plus, I believe that you have a right to your viewpoint even if I disagree with you.
What principles exactly are you referring to?
Crushing union strikes with a joy in her eyes that you wish you had when you looked at your kids.
Basically all sane republicans have been pushed off the national stage in the last 8 years.
There’s never really been such a thing. Anyone who would be an old school republican today has just become an obstructionist right-wing democratic, so arguably worse than a Republican because they sabotage from the inside.
I preferred not to vote for Biden but he turned out to be a good president.
He turned out to be a decent president, except for the massive, glaring failure to build any sort of meaningful bulwark against fascism. He had, like, the absolute best justification and mandate to aggressively crack down on the neofascists with Jan 6, but he pussyfooted around and dragged his feet on fucking everything so much that basically nothing has been dealt with or constructively changed since the coup attempt occurred.
I love how you skip the part where Congress blocked everything the SCotUS didn’t. That’s so efficient.
He’ll be remembered fondly if he doesn’t fuck up this election (i.e. not stepping aside).
But what if he doesn’t step aside and wins reelection?
Yeah that’d work too. But it won’t happen.
Pack it up bois, newnewaccount called it. We are done here.
Instead of pissing about how it won’t happen go do something else why don’t you? Your usefulness here - Now - has run its course.
If they replace Kamala then they lose the black vote, so that is not happening.
This is one of the single most oversimplified political analyses I ever have seen
And it is correct as we just seen.
This is why you never listen to panicking morons by themselves. If you remove the whole ticket they won’t even have ballot access.
It really depends on how they do it. It will get challenged regardless, but I think Harris still has the best chance there too.
If Biden stepped down because of health reasons, Harris is his VP, her job is literally to step into the presidency in that case. It’s her and Biden’s ticket that got elected, so there can’t be any talk about it being undemocratic. The people who were allowed to vote in the primary voted for Biden-Harris.
It sounds like AOC is freaked out by all these incompetent idiots around her talking about what their donors want, when really they should be coming up with a plan that has the best chance of running the gauntlet of legal challenges. The obstacle to success will be donor interference by rich idiots trying to handpick their own random people.
Idk if they can even remove half the ticket, unless Biden dies. Even then, that may result in a Trump acclamation
