Until someone can provide actual, techological disadvantages of systemd over currently available, viable alternatives, this is an irrelevant culture war for me. I feel like some people made hating system-d a core element of their identity and personality.
I don’t like so no one else is allowed to like seems to be rampant.
I feel like some people made hating system-d a core element of their identity and personality.
Basically this these days. It started out with people not liking change, not liking the author and miss-understanding what systemd is trying to do. Then latching onto some aspects of it and refusing to let go or change their minds at all.
The tragedy of systemd talk goes over a bunch of the common reasons (and counter points) about why people don’t like systemd as well as the history of init systems.
I couldn’t understand exactly what the problem is… and the writing style is infuriating. State your problem, then explain what you want!
This article reads like the writer has untreated mental health issues. Like actually unhinged.
The writer reminds me of Terry Davis, except not as bright.
Jesus Christ that author is insufferable.
He sounds like a bitter, stagnant, arrogant old man.
Betteridge’s Law of Headlines: “Any headline that ends in a question mark can be answered by the word ‘no’.” A check of the ebuild indicates that Firefox on Gentoo doesn’t depend on systemd, elogind, udev, or even dbus. It isn’t Firefox’s fault if a given distro can’t configure it and its dependencies properly (well, okay, it sorta is, because its configuration setup is complex and ugly, but . . .)
For $DEITY’s sake, if you’re going to be anti-systemd, do it for real reasons.
People like that make me like systemd. Honestly, I see no issues and rarely have a problem with systemd. Shitposting about it is all well and good, but being an anti-systemd evangelist is tiring and weird. All these old heads can still just grab the kernel and build their own OS around it with whatever init they want.
Hard to read. At first I thought it was satire.
The author of this article:
The last several lines are so insanely unhinged, completely untethered from reality lol.
Also, when this guy learns about X11 vs Wayland he’s doing to die of an aneurysm.
We should think about starting a GoFundMe to get the author the mental health support they so clearly need
This post reads like a sysadmin tried to update to the latest Ubuntu LTS at work and systemd caused a C&A team to go aggro because they’ve never heard of it, and now said sysadmin has to maintain a couple of hundred 12.04 LTS installs by hand, backporting packages from 22.04.2 LTS just so the cutting edge software the userbase requires to do their jobs will run.
millennials
Do I really have to read past this word?
This whole anti-systemd thing is so pathetic.
Right. What’s stopping anyone from maintaining the ONE PURE SYSTEM-FREE DISTRO ™? If it’s -that- much of an issue, surely there’s enough of a userbase to justify maintaining such a distro and suite of apps? We’re running an operating system whose very foundation exists due to forks and splits… some of which went on to be extremely popular defaults. Instead we get an insufferable rant blaming millennials for everything. Literally. Author blames millennials for Firefox, Librewolf and Thunderbird apparently expediting the death of non-systemd setups.
And then we have a spiel about Chrome… “which is a violent security violator bootstrapping itself deep into the base system”… oh lord. Yeah. Someone forgot to take his meds. We’re about one step away from someone asking him where on the Android plush doll the author touched by the Big Bad Google Man in a Trenchcoat.
Angry old man angry that the world hasn’t remained exactly the same for his benefit alone.
There are plenty of Systemdless forks of distros. People do maintain and it works well. However, the issue is to make the forks its incredibly labor intensive for coders and while not impossible to remove systemd, it’s extremely hard. When base apps require systemd, it locks you down to that one system which is why people hate it so much. It centralizes code and the systems and prevents ease of choice. Does it work? Yes. Though even if it doesn’t affect you or your thoughts, its good to understand why there is a divide. I personally use Artix Linux at the moment with S6 as my init system and it works great. I get why people like Systemd, but I feel it sterilizes our freedom of choice like a frog in a pot of water.
What’s stopping anyone from maintaining the ONE PURE SYSTEM-FREE DISTRO ™?
Nothing. Actions have shown that distro maintainers overwhelmingly prefer systemd because it’s way easier to maintain than sysv init (from what I hear anyways). I’d put money on the author of the blog not being a distro maintainer - just some guy that complains on the internet.
Angry old man angry
Damn, You weren’t kidding. the article would be comical if it weren’t so worrying for his mental state.
“This whole anti-Microsoft thing is so pathetic. Just use Windows.”
I may agree with him/her, I may not. But that’s unreadable.
