Senator’s bid to make US military support conditional on whether Israel is violating human rights in Gaza fails by 72 votes to 11

Senator’s bid to make US military support conditional on whether Israel is violating human rights in Gaza fails by 72 votes to 11

  • GenEcon@lemm.ee
    218·
    10 months ago

    So everyone is calling it a genocide. Is there any reputable source deriving this claim? I am confused since the definition of genocide from Wikipedia is not fitting with my image of the war.

    • Kbobabob@lemmy.world
      24·
      10 months ago

      In 1948, the United Nations Genocide Convention defined genocide as any of five “acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group”. These five acts were: killing members of the group, causing them serious bodily or mental harm, imposing living conditions intended to destroy the group, preventing births, and forcibly transferring children out of the group. Victims are targeted because of their real or perceived membership of a group, not randomly.[1][2]

      What part do you think is not happening?

      • GenEcon@lemm.ee
        15·
        10 months ago

        Nothing of that. Its not like Israel is trying to kill Palestinians, but killing Hamas. And by doing so, the civilians of the country can die without it being a genocide. The allied forces didn’t commit a genocide in Dresden, Germany. And the US didn’t commit a genocide in Hiroshima.

    • sapient [they/them]@infosec.pub
      2·
      10 months ago

      Honestly I’d just read South Africa’s court filing with the International Criminal Court (yes I know they’re hypocrites due to lukewarm attitudes to Putin’s actions but it doesnt change the facts in the specific case): https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192/192-20240112-pre-01-00-en.pdf

      You dont have to read all of it. Even scrolling and just stopping randomly comes up with sone of the most horrific shit the government of Israel is doing and the stuff high level administrators have advocated for and said.

      If you think the “human animals” comments and policies are bad, it gets so much fucking worse :/

      • 【J】【u】【s】【t】【Z】@lemmy.world
        33·
        10 months ago

        Here’s is the link to South Africa’s complaint: https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192/192-20231228-app-01-00-en.pdf

        I’m not sure what your link is but it’s very barebones.

        I didn’t read the entire complaint but a couple things stood out to me.

        The most sensational claims in the document come from questionable media sources, directly from the Palestinians authorities, or are attributed to often unnamed sources or just “reports.”

        Many of the incidents alleged are repeated dozens and dozens of times throughout the document, in different contexts. A handful of war crimes, even if proven, in a war, does not make the war a genocide.

        It’s a complaint, so it includes no facts from Israel’s side of the story; none of the intelligence, none of Israel’s public explanations or press releases or videos.

        • sapient [they/them]@infosec.pub
          1·
          10 months ago

          The link is to a court filing with the UN.

          And its not just the actions, its the statements by Israeli figures, which aren’t related to the PA/are easily externally verifiable.

          They clearly demonstrate intent and action for genocide, and the most significant aspects like razing half of Gaza to the ground, bombing “”“safe zones”“” (which are already essentially force mass migration, and what about people who cant evacuate), preventing even the most basic access to food, water, electricity, healthcare, etc. are easy to see.

          If you want more named sources, perhaps consider that Israel apparently loves to prevent journalistic entry and also bomb journalists in Gaza <.<

          And we all know what Israel’s statements are. “Everything is a Hamas base, so lets use masses of high yield bombs in highly urbanised areas while deliberately bombing the zones we pretended were safe, and our officials cheer on mass slaughter of civilians while claiming no person in Gaza can be considered a civilian and comparing them to animals or filth to be removed”