• تحريرها كلها ممكن@lemmy.ml
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        10 months ago

        I never mentioned Ninestar. Most of us in MENA don’t trust US/NATO reports, they are serial liars. Various Muslim countries as well as the Organization of Islamic Cooperation visited the region and didn’t find anything nefarious. Plus, we can see clearly in the ongoing ethnic cleansing of Palestine how much they really care.

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          10 months ago

          I never mentioned Ninestar

          Sorry, I assumed the “they” in your comment on the article posted by OP referred to Ninestar, as the article was about that firm

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        10 months ago

        Do you have a good source for this? I lean towards that opinion as well, but i don’t have any direct sources.

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          How is it whataboutism if the US bans importing goods made with slave labour if they themselves make use of it? That is just hypocriticism on the US’ side.

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              It doesn’t take attention away in this case. If the US is like, “hey, don’t use slavery in your factories”, it’s a massive hypocritical statement. Especially considering the 13th amendment allows slavery for criminal convictions.

              It’s a clear point of stating, “bro, WTF you gettin’ on my ass about slavery when you’re using it right fucking now!”

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      Well, it’s not that easy though, is it. You cannot prove a negative. So if I accused you of some sickening murder rape robbing spree where you harmed 20 people and by law it was on you to prove that you didn’t do it, you’d be fucked because you couldn’t prove that something isn’t true.

      I mean, screw this og so poor multi billion company and their worthless pieces f shit laser printers, yet I am wary of the increasing tendency internationally to flip “in dubio pro reo” on it’s head.

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          But… you know that a chinese factory does not need approval by US regulators to run, right? Like… the US doesn’t run the whole world and it’s not a normal thing that US regulators check out foreign factories, nor should it be.

          Now if you get accused of using slave labour… how can you prove that you do not do that? You’d need to prove that the slave-labour-factories don’t produce anything that then gets sold to you, right? Because absence of slave workers in your factories is not proof that you don’t subcontract a slave labour factory. So you’d need to demonstrate that you’ve got nothing to do with them. But if you don’t work with those factories, you have no stake in the factories that exploit slave labour, so you can’t let (foreign) regulators into those factories. Now, even if you manage to do that, one could just turn around and say “Well, then you must use another factory we don’t know of, prove that this isn’t the case”. You cannot prove innocence, you can only prove guilt.

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              well, technically they don’t. Nor does any other nation technically speaking need any justification to deny US businesses from operating there (see sanctions against Russia or the US ban of Huawei). Yet that is so oversimplified that I won’t even entertain the argument and it is way besides the point I was making originally.

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                Yet that is so oversimplified that I won’t even entertain the argument and it is way besides the point I was making originally.

                I think that went perfectly to the heart of the argument.

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      Didn’t Volkswagen hire an independent inspector who found no evidence of slavery labour in their supply chain?

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      Have you considered not watching child pornography? It’s really easy, just stop watching it. Simple.

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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      Maybe don’t regurgitate empire propaganda uncritically if you want people to take you seriously it’s that simple 💅