So where are we at right now?
"We didn't bomb the hospital, Hamas did. And even if we bombed the hospital, Hamas used it as a base. And even if they didn't, a some of them were in there. And even if they weren't, there were Hamas tunnels under the hospital."
I wonder what's next
"The hospital was never bombed. All the pictures are fake, all the victims are crisis actors."
"The civilians there deserved to be bombed because they supported Hamas"
Wait, didn't we do that one already?
They were enemy combatants because they were within bombing radius of an enemy combatant. That was the American logic in Iraq and Afghanistan in order to print more humane-looking civilian casualty numbers
Step the Last: YOU'RE AN ANTISEMITIC ASSHOLE!
Probably hates America and all the awesome stuff it stands for
Note that this article mentions the "Hamad bin Khalifa" hospital.
The article does not claim to disprove the claim that under the "al-Shifa" hospital there is a Hamas base
They're two different hospitals
Now that Israel is openly bombing hospitals I don't think it's unreasonable to assume they lied about the
al-Shifa hospital.oop it was Al-Ahli hospital I can't keep all of these atrocities straight!
We didn’t bomb the hospital, Hamas did
We are here still, because to my knowledge no evidence of the "people in the parking lot" bombing being from Israel has come around and most traits of the explosion point to it being a Hamas rocket.
Even this article doesn't say anything about evidence to the contrary coming forward.
You clearly have no clue what you're talking about. The hospital you're referring to is Al-Ahli Arab Hospital. And the "rocket" from the footage you're referring to has been proven to have been an Iron Dome projectile.
Israel has also attacked Al-Shifa hospital, Al-Quds hospital, the Indonesian hospital, the Turkish-Palestinian Friendship hospital, and the Qatari hospital described in the article.
Yeah they've bombed so many hospitals its hard to keep them straight. It's incredible that Zionists are still bothering to deny it.
Though I'm pretty sure the parking lot explosion was at the al-Shifa hospital.
No, Al-Shifa was where Israel attacked the ambulance convoy and destroyed the hospital's solar panels.
Oh shit you're right, my b
… god damn a lot of hospitals have been bombed.
It feels like they bombed every hospital because they had intel about one hamas base being under/near one hospital…
It feels like they bombed every hospital because they want to make Gaza uninhabitable and force them into Egypt.
Israel also owns up to all of those. The original commenter is intentionally misleading by calling back to the one that was actually denied.
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Israel has been very plain about saying they did it in the vast majority of cases. The only major hospital incident I'm aware of that they have denied is the one that appears to have been from the Palestinians.
This article is literally citing the reason Israel gave as justification.
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There was no Hamas or tunnels when they massacred Palestinians in Tantura in 1948
There was no Hamas or tunnels when they massacred Palestinians in Khan Yunis in 1956
Israel never needed an excuse they just need a lie to sell to the rest of the world now that everyone is watching
You're right, it was previously the PLO that were bombing places and hijacking planes
The simplest explanation is that if Israel knew where Hamas is, they would have taken them out before any attack by Hamas. They don't know.
So they kill more than 4000 children? Would they have done the same if the kidnappers were anywhere else in the world? What makes killing over 10,000 civilians a fair trade?
The purpose of this war on Gaza is ethnic cleansing.
It doesn't make it a fair trade. My point is they have no idea who they are targeting, or they would have been doing targeted take downs before the conflict.
Collective punishment is a war crime. Having a 90% death rate being civilians is a war crime. Targeting hospitals, schools, water wells, aid trucks and bakeries is a war crime.
They said so themselves. The intent is ethnic cleansing. They have said as much that the goal is to depopulate the Gaza Strip. They have called Palestinians “human animals”.
“I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed,” Gallant says following an assessment at the IDF Southern Command in Beersheba.
“We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly,” he adds.
That is one of the laziest info graphs I've ever seen. All of this is terrible, bit please redo it for the first few months of each conflict. This graph was made to show the US as saviors.
It's almost like an occupied populace is in itself an inbuilt insurgency for the obvious reasons.
Oddly enough a lesson not learned from WW2.
Oh the lesson was learned. It's just being used to kill the oppressed population.
It was in Paris as well, time makes martyrs of oppressed children.
Agreed. Not really the point of the discussion, and also patronizing, but I wish you a good day.
How exactly was it patronizing?
Yup, thermobarics make tunnels deathtraps and Israel certainly has the thermobarics we sold them.
Israel’s not using Fuel-Air bombs here. There’s no point. They’re just using a shedload of mk 80 series with guidance systems. Probably the Mk 81s that the US brought back into service to try and reduce collateral damage during the Iraq war.
Except they have, it's been documented alongside white phosphorus on mixed targets (civilian w/ "terrorists").
Hamas leadership is in Qatar.
Seems like they learned from uncle sam how to empire.
I wonder how quick world leaders will backtrack their support for genocide once more misinformation is disproven…
My bet is that we will be waiting a looooooooooooooooooooooooooong time
It's nuts to me how there was a recent poll showing Biden taking a hit in swing states, presumably because of the wide and unprecedented public support for Palestinian freedom, and how the reaction among some liberals is turning in to, "Biden's support for genocide is bad now because Trump could win again." Criticizing the US supporting the genocide, through the spectacle of partisan politics, turns in to, "this is how you get another Trump victory." Instead of vocalizing the disapproval, it's like "don't say anything because it could help Trump."
Cue some liberals telling us "tough shit, vote for Biden anyway" You're right talking about it in a partisan lens is a huge problem. The government is meant to represent us, all we should need to do is make sure they know how we feel.
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Who could have foreseen Israel lying?
The video apparently states that this info is 8 years old and doesn't really prove either way, whether hamas was digging tunnels under the hospital.
You… You get out of here with your ‘reading’ and ‘common sense’ and and ‘considered opinions’! Heathen!
No tunnels but surprise Saddam Hussien!
One of these days the IDF is gonna fuck up and accidentally tell the truth.
There have been plenty of Isreali politicians and military people openly saying they are punishing the people of Gaza and want to ethnically cleanse the place.
To the shock of probably 1 pro isreal tech bro
You severely underestimate the support for Israel outside of your bubble.
lol… their time is up
I mean regardless of the support Isreal has or not, what I said was still technically correct
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I genuinely don't care about Hamas anymore, they're symptoms of a greater evil, Israel is directly responsible for the radicalization of those people, because of the horrific conditions Palestinians are put in.
One side is right and the other is wrong… I suppose nobody considered this possibility and the answer was in front of us all this time. Looks like we found the key to fixing the Middle East. Well done!
Hmmm they go from one country to another trying to take over the government that let them in. Egypt, Jordan, Saudi wont let them in either… wonder who that can be ??? s/
However, Sanad’s investigation shows that this is simply the access hatch for a water reservoir that the hospital uses to fill therapeutic pools for amputees, water the grounds, and a reserve water source in case of emergency.
Sanad analysed satellite footage and archives of the hospital’s construction and spoke to one of the original engineers who built it.
It's pretty in depth.
However I have two problems with this logic.
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Israel did not confirm the existence of tunnels at that location, which would have been an easy thing to do with a camera and 2 minutes.
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This isn't exactly proof that those areas weren't repurposed for tunnels. Just that what Israel thought was a tunnel was not. Which is more of a problem of how the Israel military is assuming too much and bombing people in the process. While processing their assumptions like fact.
Their "proof" was a 3d render with tunnel systems throughout the entire hospital so no matter where they blew up, it was valid. They even had weapons on walls and red barrels so you know it was a bad guy base.
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Where's the video of the IDF or Netanyahu going over a 3D rendering of a hospital to explain how the Hamas tunnels may be underneath key infrastructure buildings?
The propaganda coming out of the IDF justifying their next move is always so insanrly ridiculous. But I guess if there's now videos coming out of how and where these tunnels are, the IDF might find some more accuracy in their violence.
Note that this article mentions the "Hamad bin Khalifa" hospital.
The article does not claim to disprove the claim that under the "al-Shifa" hospital there is a Hamas base.
They're two different hospitals.
In other words, it is so far uncontested that there is a Hamas base under the al-Shifa hospital (which is the main hospital in Gaza).
The fact that we have to specify which of the hospitals they've blown up really sucks.
Happens when your enemy has 0 regard for using their civilian shields. And Hamas purposely does it because they know white leftists on lemmy and reddit adjacent communities to go insane over it. You'd think that at some point the Palestinian population would get rid of the only real existential threat they can get rid of. Hamas and their associates.
When terrorists take hostages, you don't bomb the building and kill all of the hostages because it also kills the terrorists.
That is a bold claim. Has Israel killed the hostages?
Are Palestinian citizens being used as human shields not hostages? Both Israelis and Palestinians, and I know this might be a bit contentious, are human beings.
I'm pretty sure the comment was referencing the Israeli hostages. Are Gazans hostages. Ya id agree. And still it would boil down to the terrorist with babies strapped on them. International and moral law does not dictate that you cannot touch a terrorist because they willfully attempt to maximize civilian deaths.
I think I can safely say Hamas doesn't care what anyone on reddit or lemmy thinks.
You’d think that at some point the Palestinian population would get rid of the only real existential threat they can get rid of.
"you can't get rid of the american-funded war machine murdering you, so get rid of the only people fighting back so we kill you more slowly"
You people make me sick.
"American funded war machine that was created and defended for decades without US funding it"
"Instead demand ceasefire and for this to repeat again and again and this time for sure Hamas won't take your gas and food to provoke massive bombings again I swear."
Tell me, why is it that Israel is having to secure these humanitarian/refugee corridors for Palestinians with tanks? Who are they defending these people from exactly? Why is it that despite Palestine always being out of food and water they somehow always have materials for rockets to attack indiscriminately? And not to mention that Palestine gets nearly the exact same aid percapita dollar wise than Israel does from the US. It's ridiculous. Surely anyone could see that supporting a terrorist group that is greatly provoking a large beast besides you is stupid. I dont believe Palestinians are some dumb people that can't see the writing on the wall.
Ask for a UN peacekeeping force.
It's not a hard solution, go in with surgical precision instead.
FFS, at this point it is obvious they don't give a shit about the hostages, find a tunnel and start pumping a stoichiometric ratio of something and light a match.
That has to be better than killing all the civilians they are bombing, starving, and all the other ways their not allowing aid in.
I can't with the Obama pfp and the rationalizing collective punishment and indiscriminate slaughter, it's just too perfect.
I literally don't care what you have to say dronie
Mmhmm. Notice how you didn't answer who the IDF has to protect Gazan refugees from on their way out of Gaza.
And indiscriminate? Given a terrorist straps babies onto their bodies and begins attacking people. Is it morally wrong to stop the terrorist with force or will anything to stop him from massacring people is a war crime? I just found out a secret hack. Clearly us soldiers should just strap babies on themselves to invade all other counties. Instant justification to conquer anything. Thanks mate.
For indiscriminate slaughter it sure doesn't match the description of it btw. Just look at ww2. That was indiscriminate.
As for your claim of me justifying collective punishment I'm not. Simply is the act of shooting the terrorist that chose to strap babies on his body. That isn't collective punishment. That is the unfortunate reality of enemies that use human shields.
Given a terrorist straps babies onto their bodies and begins attacking people. Is it morally wrong to stop the terrorist with force or will anything to stop him from massacring people is a war crime?
officer, you need to get better material you're literally paraphrasing a comic villain for some dumbass thought experiment instead of actual reality. -that reality being that the european settler state holds all the cards and you're victim blaming the people resisting.
you would literally defend anything though because you're either getting paid to push this shit ignorantly or are someone who belongs at the bottom of a pit.
If hamas had a secret tunnel under an Israeli hospital they would surgically remove it, not bomg the hospital.
An isolated tunnel? Probably. Because Israel has free movement in their own territory and can organize that. Do you honestly think that Israel can just freely organize the surgical removal of thousands of tunnels away from the iron dome? What a dumb ass statement. Do you actually think about what you type?
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Debunking Israel’s ‘Human Shield’ Defense in Gaza Massacre.
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The World: Hey you may have committed a war crime.
Your Response: It's okay though, nobody can prove we committed a war crime in this other location!
What is wrong with you?
"It's almost as if." No worries.
A small price to pay to find tho!
