But what if Trump and pals manage to stabilize their fascist state. You will never have another free election (Putin style instead of the propaganda of billionaires and theocrats). The whole world will be fucked and all on your coin toss.

It is for once too dangerous to leave to chance. You need to get Harris in, and Trump and the corrupt supreme justices in jail. THEN from the ground up build a new political party for the people and the planet.

Capitalism™

It’s the same schadenfreude as Obama bowing to the Saudi King. The rightwing press were having conniptions that the ‘leader of the free world’ could show any deference to a Middle Eastern leader but it was just normal political niceties.

There are orders of difference between Netanyaho and Putin in terms of future longevity and difficulty in reducing them if that’s what the USA wants to do. Putin is a cockroach. For the foreseeable future he is who you’re going to have to deal with. So any serious leader will always be running a political calculation as to what their position must be. Stein erred and so sweaty commentators are making hay.

If the Democrats wanted to undermine her position they could easily stop supporting Israel’s psychopathy. Any popularity that Stein might be enjoying would wither on the vine.

I still think it’s a nothing burger. It a type of political schadenfreude that always happens. Here the UK you’d get MPs unable to condemn Trump because there’s a chance that they’ll have a Foreign Office role while he’s potentially in power. It comes across as weak but they have to play their cards close to be effective in that role.

With Stein it seems like she hadden’t evolved her message on Putin to respond to questions that are current about her party’s funding. It’s just disappointing, not particularly damning.

Counter-counterpoint: the Tea Party was an astroturf movement funded by big oil, big tobacco and the Koch brothers. Given massive amounts of support by media companies (lots and lots of oxygen). With the purpose of taking over the GOP and entrenching their toxic industries and power.

With the perspective we have now it is clear that their plan was to push Republican supporters over into fascism (not to say that it wasn’t latent within many of them) and reduce the risks of democracy to the oligarchy.

Ed Balls

100%? Yes, Citizens United has poured petrol on the ability of large aggregations of money to undemocratically influence election outcomes; and yes some of those aggregations are unconcerned with the wellbeing of American people. But are people that are voicing concerns about AIPAC (given that it represents an appartite state currently brutally escalating a decades old genocide, that wants to silence any political voices that are critical of it) actually antisemitic? Because the comment you rated as 100% seems to be furthering AIPACs goal.

It’s as if they read about Breonna Taylor’s murder and concluded that black people shouldn’t think that stand your ground laws apply to them but the important lesson is that killing is wrong.

He doesn’t know he’s a priest!

Don’t embarrass yourself in front of a real fact checker

It’s very tedious.

The BBC’s programming might be center left at times but the news has been cast from a center right perspective for at least 14 years. David Cameron installed conservative management back in 2010 that’s why we ended up with the likes of Laura Kuenssberg and Fiona Bruce giving their political output a good old Tory stir.

Last thing I want to do is turn up the volume on my jogging.

Dating apps are bit like voting in Northern Ireland in the UK general election. Technically you’re taking part in choosing the next PM but in reality you’re just squinting hard at a small list of munters that’ll do nothing for you.

If Biden, god forbid, had a stroke tonight and was lying in a coma, is there no facility to change the candidate to someone else. Or would you be locked in to voting for a candidate in a vegative state?

Nor that the information that they use against you be necessarily true given their accepted monopoly in ‘truth’.

Hey hey hey!

Don’t be dragging granola into this fuckwit-ocracy. It’s a perfectly reasonable low effort breakfast for those of us that are unable to cook for ourselves because we can’t find our arses with both hands for the first hour of semi-consciousness in the morning.

Subjectivity?

My genX ass was trying skibidi on its own cause most of the rest of the text is usually auto-suggested while typing in the search terms.

Literal Roman DVD goddess.

And I appreciate your civil attempts at clarifying your stance too. To the degree that I think we’re both talking past each other.

On my part, even as an outsider to US politics, I have been getting more and more frustrated with a lot of the bullying rhetoric I see on this platform directed towards potential voters that are very concerned about the US’s current complicity in the ongoing genocide. I see them getting talked down to with utter contempt. Being berated by people who insouciantly weigh a potential loss of comforts at home against the real and current killing of tens of thousands of innocent civilians and the forced famine of hundreds of thousands.

Now is the only time that they can apply pressure on Biden. Now that he actually needs something from them. But (like MLK’s white moderates) people here are telling them that “now is not the time” and a whole spectrum of worse accusations too. But if the civil rights movement hadn’t agitated and pressed for change decades would have passed before the moderates would have opened their eyes and acted beyond the pale.

Personally, I agree ostensibly with your calculus (though not with your particular framing of it but it is still a very, very tight call) but if I was a US voter I would be vocally holding my vote hostage until the last moment to make sure that my discontent was given the greatest chance of not being ignored.

More importantly (and central to this whole discussion) i still believe that people have a right to respectful discourse if they can’t morally make it over the sizable hurdles.

Which brings me round back to you. You’ve been very patient and civil throughout this discourse even though we have different perspectives. So my ‘beef’ ain’t wit you my friend. Though I do wonder what is your line in the ground that if both of the two main candidates were guilty of something that you’d drop the lesser of two evils calculus and vote for a third party. For me both are terrible choices but the potential for long term democratic, human rights, and environmental protection regression under Trump cannot be underestimated