cross-posted from: https://programming.dev/post/16595505
- Home routing and encryption technologies are making lawful interception harder for Europol
- PET-enabled home routing allows for secure communication, hindering law enforcement’s ability to intercept and monitor communications
- Europol suggests solutions such as disabling PET technologies and implementing cross-border interception standards to address the issue.
“The issue” that needs addressing is the obsession our governments have with spying on us.
What confuses me is that we, the people, have the upper hand according to democracy. So no classified information should exist within the people for democracy to function propperly.
Except that their are so many people that have no idea how the internet or such technologies work. And happily hand over their private lives cause “nothing to hide” BS.
Also brainwashing. People get their ideas from other people. Some through books, some through those they call experts but we‘re very easily influenced. Getting blasted with biased shows and commercials that show us how „fair“ law enforcement is makes people easy targets for pushing dangerous laws.
Whoa, take it easy there. You wouldn’t want to awaken John Lock
I really didnt think much when I sent this. I should remember next time so that I don’t become the next target of the NSA
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“lawful interception” is a fallacy.
If it’s written in the law, it’s lawful. You can of course (and should!) debate about the morality of the diverse forms of lawful interception, but a blanket statement like ‘“lawful interception” is a fallacy’, is a fallacy in of itself.
What is more terrifying is when a elected leader argues against mass surveillance and then is shunned by the intelligence agency and their allies
Laws do not, did not ever, guarantee interception. It always allowed the police to try to intercept. The police hid bugs, tapped wires. Never in history the police said "for lawful interception to happen, all phones must come with preinstalled wiretap. The implication that “communications systems are too secure, there has to be a backdoor for lawful interception” is a fallacy.
The fallacy is imagining that “lawfulness” is an attribute that can be reliably detected on an implementation level.
De facto, if not in absolute.
There’s a dirty secret of telecom I found out working for a telco some years back: CALEA compliance is used more by unknown third parties more than actual law enforcement. When we’d get a subpoena for a CALEA wiretap, as often as not we’d just patch our logger into a pre-existing wiretap as configure a switch to enable one on a particular trunk, cable, and pair.
as a neteng for 20+ years, what the hell is “home routing”
its routing without the Pro license.
does it come with bgp though
It’s basically when you drag an Ethernet cable behind you wherever you go, with the other end still plugged into your home switch.
So that’s what those massive 1000 foot Ethernet cables are for!
My understanding after reading the article is: while roaming your phone sets up a VPN type thing with your phone provider, and routes calls and data through this tunnel, so now Europol has to deal with another country if they want to track you.
I am in dire need of such solution just because I moved with Europe but don’t want to let go my old number, fortunately I visit one 6 months but what if I pass the deadline?
Besides Google won’t let me use my Balance unless I have that specific counties card in phone and it’s active… If you know how to do it let me know.
It’s a process of telling houses where to go. Why do you think homes never get lost?
Home routing is when you connect a cable to your PC and the wall. Your home then uses that connection to join the Dark Web, and you allow hackers to stay at your home temporarily to escape the government. Those hackers jump from house to house, evading the authorities.
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😂. "Oh you wanna go to the internet? Sure, let me NAT and route you to my gateway. "
Oh, so, keep doing it? Even harder? Gotcha.
Good.
Endemic end-to-end encryption just means that everyone is now protected from interception.
I’ve been using PGP and friends since the 90s. Most people who LE should be targeting for investigation have likewise been using strong encryption since the 90s.
Most cases get a break due to the failure of opsec or due to chance or standard gruelling detective work and the fact that people are social animals.
So what exactly is Europol arguing here?
They probably want to bust people in bulk
They don’t even want to bust them. They just want to intercept
PET-enabled home routing
Oh, apparently it’s a “5G” thing. Perhaps everyone in Europe knows that already. Apparently the design of the new network is complicated enough that they’ve accidentally left room for just a little bit of user privacy. Europol claims to have become dependent on the situation where people using mobile phones have none at all.
I wonder if the reason the headline has to specify “lawful” has anything to do with it 🤔
We’re back to “privacy is a good thing even if it enables ‘criminals’”? Yesterday there was rather a lot of negativity towards GNU Taler and other means of transferring money privately because it enabled tax evasion and such.
Gnu taler doesn’t enable tax evasion if I am not mistaken. Vendors income is public I think.
“Enable tax evasion” = “Not let the government have 100% viewability of every financial transaction you ever made”? You mean, like cash, a system of payment we have used for over 100 years? We should get rid of that because it “enables tax evasion”?
No thanks, I’d rather live in a world where I can give my friend $5 for buy me some snacks at the store without the government having to get involved. I’d rather not have, at a time when we are experiencing democratic backsliding, my least favorite political party, who happens to be in charge at the moment, be able to see the entirety of the inflows and outflows of the resistance organizations fighting their fascist policies. I’d rather be able to get an abortion and not wonder if my bank is going to snitch on me.
You know who really evades taxes? Those rich fucks who lobby and pay off (or are!) politicians to give them tax loopholes. Or the people in the panama papers. But those aren’t the tax evaders we’re talking about, now are they? Because they’ll never be held accountable to these laws, even though they were doxed publicly as violating them.
These kinds of financial surveillance powers will only be used against plebs, dissidents, and people who the people in power don’t like.
How does you comment relate to my post?
You are saying Taler is good because it “doesn’t enable tax evasion”. I am saying that’s a bad metric.
Not let the government have 100% viewability of every financial transaction you ever made
That’s explicitly not the case with gnu taler though.
Edit: I checked their website https://taler.net/en/features.html and I don’t even know if sending person to person is possible. So you might have a point. I would never advocate to get rid of cash though, cash is good. Maybe in a distant future once we really have a digital equivalent working reliably.
From their FAQ: "Taler supports push and pull payments between wallets (also known as peer-to-peer payments). While the payment appears to be directly between wallets, technically the operation is intermediated by the payment service provider which will typically be legally required to identify the recipient of the funds before allowing the transaction to complete. "
I made a post about all the problems w Taler here if you’re interested https://lemmy.ml/post/17733761
That’s the point. They totally missed the main idea here
Suck it, Europol.
I get that that’s bad and that shouldn’t be.
But there just have been too many cases of unlawful interception (NSA and Criminal). So I personally don’t think we should move back away from encryption
