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    “We’ll fight til the last Ukrainian!” - libs

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      “We shouldn’t help the rape victim and they should hope that it’s over quickly. Also, it’s actually not rape, it’s a special sexual operation and they deserved it.” - Tankies

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        Funny how if you’re against another endless war you’re a tankie and support Putin…

        I’m neither a tankie nor I support Putin. But I also don’t support NATO and the Empire.

        But just as a note, most “tankies” don’t support Russia and know Putin is a conservative capitalist. I mean he is the direct result of the dismantling of the USSR by internal revisionists (tsarists and capitalists) and the CIA.

        But again, it’s the Iraq war all over again. And you libs are doing THE SAME THING. It’s hilarious.

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          There’s a load of things I could say, but they would all be pointless, so I’m going to say this. It would be less depressing if you were actually being paid by the Russians.

          EDIT: Which, you know, is not actually out of the question.

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            “Being against war means you are our enemy!” - the “pacifist”, “anti-war”, liberal.

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          „Libs“ we’re against the Iraq war. It divided the US population and the whole western world. Never listened to American Idiot?

          I’m confused. You want us to protest against one sort of imperialism, but not the other?

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          it’s the Iraq war all over again

          Oh so you’re against the invasion after all?

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            More than you guys it seems. You’re all salivating at the idea of Russians dying and this war never ending.

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              Putin could stop this war and thus Russians from dying at any minute. He’d just have to give up on imperialism.

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                Me too. We take Putin out, return the USSR, and then we dismantle the far-right apparatus in Ukraine as well. We close all US military bases and shut down NATO.

                We then impose on the US strict international laws to never have a military, to interfere or invade another nation again, or it’s dismantled and given to all 3rd world countries it fucked over the past 100 years.

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        And shelling civilians in the Donbas is presumably the equivalent of putting on a nice dress in your metaphor?

        Make extremely inappropriate and wrong rape comparison ⇒ Accuse anyone who disagrees of being a rape apologist ⇒ FUCK TANKIES!

        Extremely normal and sound logic there, definitely not just vibe-based emotional manipulation.

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          Ask Prigozhin whether that shelling actually happened. You swallowed Russian propaganda hook, line, and sinker.

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            https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/Documents/Countries/UA/OHCHRThematicReportUkraineJan2014-May2016_EN.pdf

            OHCHR estimates that between mid-April 2014 and 31 May 2016, at least 9,404 people, of which up to 2,000 are civilians, have been killed as a result of the conflict. The vast majority of civilian casualties, recorded on the territories controlled by the Government of Ukraine and on those controlled by armed groups, were caused by the indiscriminate shelling of residential areas, in violation of the international humanitarian law principle of distinction.

            Na better believe Prigozhin, that guy never told a lie or said anything that was totally wrong.

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              What do you believe your source to say, exactly? That Ukraine shelled indiscriminately? If so, you should read it again.

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                Yes it says that exactly, unless you think the “armed groups” shelled themselves.

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                  Maybe the armed groups headed by known criminals (look at who ran those "people's republics") shelled the civilians? They also shot down MH-15.

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                    You do realize that direction of the shelling wouldn't be hard to determine? If you look at the side of a shelled building you know roughly which direction the shells are coming from. In your worldview OHCHR was duped by some elaborate conspiracy of repeated false flag attacks. That doesn't even pass the sniff test. Also, why bring MH-15 into this? You cannot discredit my OHCHR source by bringing this up, what's the connection there?

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      There’s a lot of angry liberals replying to your post, so I thought I’d link a great video on how/why the war in Ukraine came to be:

      https://youtube.com/watch?v=LL4eNy4FCs8&si=gaMRzFwo5JP5RzeD

      This channel is leftist but they aren’t communists, as far as I know.

      Tldw: This war was completely avoidable. Had the US/NATO kept its promise to not expand eastward none of this would have happened. Even Biden said that 25 years ago. Americans groomed certain Ukrainians for political office, and prevented others from running. There was an opportunity to end the war last year on somewhat decent terms for Ukraine, but Boris Johnson rushed in to stop it from happening, promising massive support. But war exhaustion has caught up and Ukraine is running out of people, and western leaders are already starting to call for the end of the war — except this time it will be on russias terms and Ukraine is going to get fucked. Big western capitalists have had their fingers in this pie because there’s a lot of money to be made in the country. That’s it.

      Anyone with two brain cells to rub together knows that Putins invasion was a horrific, imperialist move. Any commie you see protesting the war isn’t doing it because they support Russia (Russia is a capitalist country), they’re doing it because they don’t support NATO. We are often the makers of our own enemies here in the west. Viet Cong, Taliban, ISIS, and Russia were all created or shaped by western (mainly US) policies.

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          Thanks I’ll watch it when I’m home from work. Right now it looks like it’s just some guy talking, whereas the video I linked only talks about things that are public knowledge. I haven’t watched yours yet though.

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        Seems like to you being a lib means not falling for badly researched, one-sided videos?

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          You didn’t watch the video did you? They don’t mention anything that

          All you liberals give cons a lot of shit for being bloodthirsty war hawks but you froth at the mouth at the thought of war too. You’ll look at situations like what’s happening in Gabon and Niger, say “wow the French are fucked and they kind of deserve it for what they did to those countries”, and then develop an amazing blind spot for western imperialism in Eastern Europe.

          Obviously this war shouldn’t have happened. Obviously Putin is an asshole. Obviously what’s happening in Ukraine needs to be stopped.

          We (the west) made our own monster though.

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            All you liberals give cons

            All this my team, your team rhetoric…

            Honest question, but how many times a day do you think about events and try to fit them into one of these two categories? At what point do you start using these terms interchangeably for good and evil?

            These days, I try to skip posts from people who crossed that line. Left, right or centre. If someone has limited their mental capacity to binary decisions, it's not worth arguing with them, because the answer to everything will always be "my team".